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"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion."
This is your fault, conservatives.
If you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of "The Devil". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves.
This is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical. | [
"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan"
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He was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented "demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up."
Religion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this? | [
"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?"
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Freedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity.
Don’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit."
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Are we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s? | [
"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!"
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We going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well.... | [
"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well...."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\""
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They are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again"
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I wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again.
We fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words.
Like half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering. | [
"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on."
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If your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.
Not to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.
He was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented "demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up."
And the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves. | [
"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks.",
">\n\nHahaha i did."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks.",
">\n\nHahaha i did.",
">\n\nEven if it did encourage devil worship, so what? Do we have freedom of religion or not?"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks.",
">\n\nHahaha i did.",
">\n\nEven if it did encourage devil worship, so what? Do we have freedom of religion or not?",
">\n\nEvil is the priest that wants to abuse your kids, this is entertainment."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks.",
">\n\nHahaha i did.",
">\n\nEven if it did encourage devil worship, so what? Do we have freedom of religion or not?",
">\n\nEvil is the priest that wants to abuse your kids, this is entertainment.",
">\n\nI wish they would just govern."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks.",
">\n\nHahaha i did.",
">\n\nEven if it did encourage devil worship, so what? Do we have freedom of religion or not?",
">\n\nEvil is the priest that wants to abuse your kids, this is entertainment.",
">\n\nI wish they would just govern.",
">\n\nI don't know, when they do bad things seem to happen."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks.",
">\n\nHahaha i did.",
">\n\nEven if it did encourage devil worship, so what? Do we have freedom of religion or not?",
">\n\nEvil is the priest that wants to abuse your kids, this is entertainment.",
">\n\nI wish they would just govern.",
">\n\nI don't know, when they do bad things seem to happen.",
">\n\nI bet Lil Nas X is writing quite a bit in his ideas notebook right now."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks.",
">\n\nHahaha i did.",
">\n\nEven if it did encourage devil worship, so what? Do we have freedom of religion or not?",
">\n\nEvil is the priest that wants to abuse your kids, this is entertainment.",
">\n\nI wish they would just govern.",
">\n\nI don't know, when they do bad things seem to happen.",
">\n\nI bet Lil Nas X is writing quite a bit in his ideas notebook right now.",
">\n\nThe same Ted Cruz who introduced a bill to limit Congress to 2 terms, but is also seeking reelection."
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks.",
">\n\nHahaha i did.",
">\n\nEven if it did encourage devil worship, so what? Do we have freedom of religion or not?",
">\n\nEvil is the priest that wants to abuse your kids, this is entertainment.",
">\n\nI wish they would just govern.",
">\n\nI don't know, when they do bad things seem to happen.",
">\n\nI bet Lil Nas X is writing quite a bit in his ideas notebook right now.",
">\n\nThe same Ted Cruz who introduced a bill to limit Congress to 2 terms, but is also seeking reelection.",
">\n\nOogie Boogie! 👹"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks.",
">\n\nHahaha i did.",
">\n\nEven if it did encourage devil worship, so what? Do we have freedom of religion or not?",
">\n\nEvil is the priest that wants to abuse your kids, this is entertainment.",
">\n\nI wish they would just govern.",
">\n\nI don't know, when they do bad things seem to happen.",
">\n\nI bet Lil Nas X is writing quite a bit in his ideas notebook right now.",
">\n\nThe same Ted Cruz who introduced a bill to limit Congress to 2 terms, but is also seeking reelection.",
">\n\nOogie Boogie! 👹",
">\n\nConsidering that the Grammys are just a giant marketing award, and a celebration of capitalism seems like he’s spitting in his own coffee"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks.",
">\n\nHahaha i did.",
">\n\nEven if it did encourage devil worship, so what? Do we have freedom of religion or not?",
">\n\nEvil is the priest that wants to abuse your kids, this is entertainment.",
">\n\nI wish they would just govern.",
">\n\nI don't know, when they do bad things seem to happen.",
">\n\nI bet Lil Nas X is writing quite a bit in his ideas notebook right now.",
">\n\nThe same Ted Cruz who introduced a bill to limit Congress to 2 terms, but is also seeking reelection.",
">\n\nOogie Boogie! 👹",
">\n\nConsidering that the Grammys are just a giant marketing award, and a celebration of capitalism seems like he’s spitting in his own coffee",
">\n\nAlice Cooper called and said you're in the wrong decade!"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks.",
">\n\nHahaha i did.",
">\n\nEven if it did encourage devil worship, so what? Do we have freedom of religion or not?",
">\n\nEvil is the priest that wants to abuse your kids, this is entertainment.",
">\n\nI wish they would just govern.",
">\n\nI don't know, when they do bad things seem to happen.",
">\n\nI bet Lil Nas X is writing quite a bit in his ideas notebook right now.",
">\n\nThe same Ted Cruz who introduced a bill to limit Congress to 2 terms, but is also seeking reelection.",
">\n\nOogie Boogie! 👹",
">\n\nConsidering that the Grammys are just a giant marketing award, and a celebration of capitalism seems like he’s spitting in his own coffee",
">\n\nAlice Cooper called and said you're in the wrong decade!",
">\n\nWhat I’d give to be able to tell my parents Christianity encourages devil-worship 😂"
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"Im thankful the Bible bashers now have lil nas x and Sam smith pulling their attention away from the metal community",
">\n\nThe metal community has done the heavy lifting for decades. We owe them a debt of gratitude.",
">\n\nThe metal community crawled and walked through glass so lil Nas X and Sam Smith could run.",
">\n\nCue the mental image of Kerry King passing a relay baton to Lil Nas X",
">\n\nI feel Rob Halford would be more appropriate than Kerry King.",
">\n\nRob Halford hasn't put the thing down yet, dude's still making albums with Judas Priest. Firepower was solid as fuck.\nDee Snyder likewise still going on his solo projects, although Twisted Sister have packed it in as a band now.\nActually, most all of the big contenders are still going, now that I think about it. Metal doesn't pay well enough for an early retirement.",
">\n\nDee Snyder is a bad ass I love the clips of him testifying in front of Nancy Regan",
">\n\nIt was Tipper Gore but yeah the PMRC hearings were amazing. Dee was clearly there to be the whipping boy but he brought receipts. That said, John Denver's testimony is what brought the whole thing crashing down. They thought he was gonna fall in line with them and he compaired the whole thing to Nazi book burnings. Watch the clips of him and Frank Zappa if you haven't already. Zappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing.",
">\n\n\nZappa insinuating that Gore was a sexual deviant is absolutely amazing. \n\nDee did that too, pointing out that his song was literally just about having anxiety before a surgery, and Tipper interpreted it as being about extreme BDSM because she wanted it to be.",
">\n\n1980s called, they want their pretend fear of satanic costumes back.",
">\n\nNo shit, are they really gonna try and bring this back?",
">\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda that the people want or like lol. \nWhen in doubt, just pander to the evangelical vote. They'll always be there to act as the GOP's comfort blankie when things aren't going their way.",
">\n\n\nNot like they have anything else on their agenda...\n\nExcept;\n\nBlock student loan relief\nLook for Hunter's laptop\nObsess over M&Ms\nKeep 28 time Olympic gold medalist in rhythmic gymnastics, George Santos in office\nObstruct everything\nPossibly bring the country to financial ruin by messing with the debt ceiling\n\nThere's s lot more but I try to ignore there dog and pony shit show.",
">\n\nDon't forget mandatory reporting of under-age girls' menstruation cycles.",
">\n\nAnd making sure black history is never taught to anyone.",
">\n\nDon't you mean that they don't want the actual WHITE history being taught?\nThe black population weren't the ones making the history, they were being run over by it.",
">\n\nI mean, Black people did a lot of things for the whole country and for the world, despite all the white supremacy and imperialism. And they also played a key role in ending their own servitude. Plus the obvious leadership in the ongoing civil rights movement.\nIn fact, I would argue that the history of Black politics in this country is pushing us to become the free country we have always claimed we are.\nRight wingers don't want any of that taught (or properly contextualized) either.",
">\n\nI agree and understand that they've done tremendous good for the country. I was just being snarky.",
">\n\nI can worship the devil if I want to. It's actually my first amendment right.",
">\n\nYou can leave your saints behind. Cuz the saints don't dance, and if they don't dance, well they're no saints of mine.",
">\n\nIt's the Satan Dance",
">\n\ns s s s s s s s s a a a a a a a a t t t t t t t t a a a a a a a a a n n n n n n n",
">\n\nThis needs to be remixed and mashed with NIN Closer.",
">\n\nCruz wants to fuck you like a demagogue...\nHoo hoo..",
">\n\nHe wants to regulate your insides.",
">\n\nHe wants to fuck you like an M&M!\nHis whole existence is flawed.",
">\n\nHe brings me further from god!!",
">\n\nDoes anyone on this thread have the number for Weird Al’s agent? I’d love to have him write a cover based on this …",
">\n\nIs \"worshiping Satan\" still a no no like it was in the 80s and 90s? Why are Republicans going to the fear playbook of the Stranger Danger years. The memo has been updated to being affraid of drag queens now.",
">\n\nBecause they occasionally like to \"play the classics\" too. Next up, Video Games Are Turning Kids Violent. After that, Playing D&D Is Satan Worship. Also, Reading Harry Potter Teaches Kids Witchcraft.\n(On the latter, I wish that was true. Do you know how useful a simple summoning charm would be if you could cast it in real life?)",
">\n\nThat isn’t satire is it…",
">\n\n\nthat one had a whole (shitty) movie made of it!\n\nYou mean Mazes and Monsters? Tom Hank's first lead role?\nI remember seeing that as a kid, who played D&D, thinking that movie was insane. \nI live in Seattle and we have an underground tour that goes through a part of Pioneer Square that was built on top of after downtown burned down in the later 1800s. I remember going down there on a class trip, having a scene where Tom Hanks is in like full armor in the sewers pop into my head, and just laughing like a maniac. \nThe tour guide was pissed, I think he thought I was dicking around with my friends.",
">\n\nMazes and Monsters was based on a real disappearance, and some woman’s speculation that it had to do with D&D. The whole thing is pretty ghoulish tbh.",
">\n\nRepublicans of Reddit, do you ever get sick of your representatives being so pathetic?",
">\n\nBeing a conservative sounds so exhausting. It’s just a string of outrage over checks notes M&Ms, the Grammys, and other fun things",
">\n\nIt's just 24/7 non-stop outrage.",
">\n\nI swear they only do this as a distraction to keep their base angry while the GOP denies bills that'd actually help their voter base. \nI remember they were so fixated on M&Ms, trans folk using the bathroom, and the sex of a potato last year. \nDuring that year, the GOP denied additional help to vets, denied capping the price of insulin, denied a oil price gouging bill, denied aid towards baby formula during a shortage, and denying any sort of gun control.",
">\n\nWhat's the M&M thing? I'm out of the loop on all the crazy, I guess.",
">\n\nMars Inc., owner of the M&M brand, decided of its own volition to change the designs of a few of their anthropomorphic M&M mascots.\nSpecifically the Green and Brown M&M mascots, who were traditionally marketed as slightly risque and sexy (Green because she was the first female M&M, Brown because she looked \"naked\" with her brown shell), got more practical shoes.\nAlso there is now a purple peanut M&M mascot, so the yellow one isn't the only one of his kind. But the peanut M&M's are bigger than other M&M's, so the purple M&M is being interpreted as a \"woke\" plus-size woman. \nTucker Carlson and some other outrage salesmen decided that these mascot changes are somehow evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow America. Because if Tucker can't crank one out to a candy mascot, then I guess Nathan Hale hanged for nothing. \nMars Inc., capitalizing on the free publicity then announced they were pulling the plug on the M&M mascots altogether because of controversy. They said the mascots would be replaced by comedian/actress Maya Rudolph. This was just a marketing joke, but it stirred up even more shit. Conservatives and non-conservatives were blaming each other for the termination of well-received marketing mascots.",
">\n\nNot wholesome entertainers like the Duggars?",
">\n\nTim Kowlan, the \"Trump campaign lead\" from the Cincinnati area is a case I remember.\nI think what one of his victims said sums up the general character underpinning these republicans:\n\"Tim Nolan knew vulnerability when he saw it,\" one of the victims wrote in her impact statement. \"He used my addiction as a tactic for control.\"\nNow look at what Tead Cruze did here. He is exploiting christians who are vulnerable to woo like this. Same tactics, and same personality type.",
">\n\nIt's an inevitability of religion and right-wing politics. It works in any cult because people are people. The Inverse Law Of 'Good'\n\nA - people start groups saying \"we're the best people, so join us\"\nB - the worst people know they can get cover in this group because of human nature\nC - given a short period of time, these groups that claim to be \"the best\" get totally taken over by the worst of humanity all the way to the top. \n\nNot a matter of if they do, but when they do. How many times does this little experiment in human behavior have to be repeated for people to see the obvious: if a person (or group) has to tell you continually they're nice, run the fuck away in the opposite direction?\nOnce they identify someone, there are eight steps to groom them, to bring them into the fold.\n\n1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. For years. \"Those other people, they just don't get it. Their ways are different and that's just not you. They don't understand, but we know where you're coming from...\"\n2 - Now that they've established that they're one of your kind of people in your mind, everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Your circle of experiences starts to shrink.\n3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, things would be simultaneously the worst thing possible AND that all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is the only bad relationship relationship like this and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship. Hell, they'll even show examples of the shit you're in now to say, \"if you leave me and go for the other guy, it'll be like this [very bad scenario that's happening RIGHT NOW] so be scared and shit.\" The circle shrinks further.\n4 - You're told outright what to cut out of your life. Direct instruction for you to get that circle of experiences down to a dot. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because \"you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' do you?\" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).\n5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends and run up the bills. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every few years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they spent when they were out with their friends). And while they're terrible with the finances, for years, they'll be saying how everything is hunky-dory financially with them at the reins. You will be told you've never had it so good but the fear of one bad bill wiping you out financially will be like the Sword Of Damocles over your head 24/7/365.\n6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. A problem crops up in the New Year 2020 but it wasn't even mentioned in January because the head of the household didn't mention it. \"It's going to go away\" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is \"you're just finding faults with me\". Then when April comes and it's clear what the shit storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. As the months and years roll on it becomes a shell game where ignoring the problem / blaming others for the problem / trying to draw attention from the problem gets switched around without stop. Even if it comes out that they knew the problem could literally kill other people, tear them apart because of gross negligence, they will not stray from this strategy. Sounds familiar, huh. Other people will be able to show you examples of where they said something promised was just two weeks away, and they said \"two weeks and you'll have it\" four years ago and two years ago and twice in the last month, but it's still not coming.\n7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You've been told it'll all be your fault if things don't go as they want, and you've seen others be on the end of their random outbursts of wrath. So you stay safe. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.\n8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Going along with how they do it becomes how you do it too. Which reinforces what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...\n\nThey have done it for tens of thousands of days on millions of people and it has become a very precise tactic for them. The Red Pill, PUA tactics, as a science.",
">\n\nJFC, do these people ever stop being upset about something?\nEvery single day, they are upset about some new topic, which they will harp on for a few months, and then move on to the next one.\nMost recently it's drag shows, now its going to be devil worshipping?",
">\n\nAnd it's never anything of substance, like lack of healthcare, wealth disparity, etc. Always some bullshit that has no affect on anyone.",
">\n\nThat’s the point…",
">\n\nBut if Sam dressed up as an AR-15 they'd worship them.\nEdit: Pronoun",
">\n\nIdea! Make guns super gay and trans, yassify guns so conservatives hate them to own the libs",
">\n\nThere’s nothing gay about guns bro.\nLook at that slick handle. How’s your one-hand grip, boyo? Do you hold it tight like your life depends on it? How about that long and hard barrell? Bet those can cum bullets like no tomorrow if i asked you.",
">\n\nRemember, squeeze, don't pull....out.",
">\n\n“Devil worship” geezuz fucking christ! Personally, I worship the great pumpkin, but haven’t seen it in a while, no matter how long I sit in that pumpkin patch.",
">\n\nSounds like:\n\"You're an atheist? So you worship the devil?\"\nIf I don't believe in the guy who made the devil, how could I believe in the devil?\n\"Because my pastor told us atheists worship satan.\"",
">\n\nI've heard that one before as well. There's a narrative floating around some Christian circles that atheists don't actually exist. The argument hinges on some passage in their Bible that says everyone knows the truth of God in their hearts. They interpret this passage to mean that nobody on earth actually disbelieves and that so-called \"atheists\" are just pretending. These Christians see atheists as rebels against the Christian God, rather than as people legitimately unconvinced that the Christian God exists. \nAnd, since they believe atheists are rebelling against God, they like to think atheists are in league with Satan. Even when the church leaders know better, they like to use this line on younger church members to keep the leash tight: \"Don't listen to them, Timmy; they are in league with Satan and will try to steal your soul! They don't actually have different beliefs from us; they are just people who have embraced evil.\" \nWhen this brand of Christian decides to argue issues of faith, they will spend more time trying to convince you that their God is good than that their God is real. They figure the hangup is that you simply aren't worried enough about Hell or that you aren't excited enough about heaven or that you aren't grateful enough for being created.",
">\n\nThis is where a lot of my religious trauma comes from.",
">\n\nI was super religious as a young kid. I mean I hated church services because they were boring, but I was absolutely certain in my faith. But because I was so certain and because I was so invested, I wanted to know how everything worked and fit together as part of some complete truth. I approached it like a nerd approaching Tolkein's works or a nerd approaching Star Wars lore. \nAnd, funnily enough, the \"ultimate truth\" of Christianity doesn't actually stand up to that level of scrutiny. Plot holes, contradictions, leaps of logic are everywhere. This \"divinely inspired\" shit is less stable than something modern writers whipped up for entertainment. And once I saw that, I got really skeptical. None of the historical stuff in the Bible is any more credible than the stuff in any other old text, and none of the theological stuff is any more credible than the stuff in any other book of myths.",
">\n\nRollin' out the old Satanic Panic huh? Gotta hand it to the GOP, they know to throw in some classical fear mongering in with the new crop of CRT and Trans based fear mongering to keep their audience happy.\nDon't want gramps mumbling about how this new fangled mongering just doesn't have the same ring as the early albums.",
">\n\nCRT and the rest wasn't reaching gramps.... They had to reach back into the old bag of tricks to see what still works.",
">\n\nNext stop, Reefer Madness!",
">\n\nI hear there's a bunch of women practicing witchcraft in Salem.",
">\n\nThose same women owning their own homes and having their own checking accounts would be just as horrifying to them.",
">\n\nThey already mentioned “practicing witchcraft”, though. \n(/s)",
">\n\nThe freedom party strikes again.\nFreedom to do whatever their narrow minds find acceptable.\nClutch them pearls Teddy.",
">\n\nTed Cruz, who famously watched incest porn at work, thinks we should all be outraged by a costume.",
">\n\nI have a feeling he just doesn't like that the song \"Unholy\" calls out a married man cheating with a sex worker cause that's his ultimate fantasy... he wants to be just like daddy trump.",
">\n\nI doubt he's ever listened to the song at all.",
">\n\nTed has sand in his panties. The evangelicals love nothing more than devil worshiping. It gets them turgid.",
">\n\nTed doesn't even believe in The Devil or God, he just wants to whip his gullible idiots into a froth so they aren't all pissy about freezing to death.",
">\n\nI'd say lots of the conservatives who say this kind of kooky nonsense don't actually believe it.\nHowever, Cruz's dad is a fundamentalist preacher who (I gather from interviews) indoctrinated Ted into thinking that he was chosen by God to lead the conservative movement.\nIt's possible that this is all just televangelist bullshit, but I do think that Cruz is a genuine believer in his religious destiny.",
">\n\nI wonder how long it's going to take the GOP to claim that Satan is black and trans...\nThose fuckers are going to try to roll everything together to rile up their base.\nWhat next? That the apple in the Garden of Eden taught CRT to Eve?",
">\n\nIt's funny you mention the \"apple in the Garden of Eden\". Like, break that shit down into the metaphor that it is. Satan helped enlighten us, whereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals. I know which of those dieties I support.",
">\n\n\nwhereas the creator god wanted to keep us ignorant like animals.\n\nFunny that the GQP also strives to keep their base ignorant of facts and reality.",
">\n\nOzzy won best rock album, too",
">\n\nI was really hoping for Turnstile to pull out the win, but I understand that the metal and rock categories tend to be a clusterfuck most years. I think name recognition got him the win more than anything.",
">\n\nIt's the fucking Grammys. It's all a clusterfuck.",
">\n\nAbsolutely is. I swear they just pull names out of a hat some years and their definition of what 'rock' and 'metal' music are is as broad as the Mississippi.",
">\n\nOh we've circled back to devil worship. I wish conservatives would get a new shtick, I'm bored.",
">\n\nYou know the devil isn’t real, right?",
">\n\nYeah but with people like Ted Cruz around, one wonders.",
">\n\nPlease allow me to introduce myself\nI'm a man of wealth and taste\nI've been around for a long, long years\nStole million man's soul an faith",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, hope you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game",
">\n\nStuck around St. Petersburg\nWhen I saw it was a time for a change\nKilled Tsar and his ministers\nAnastasia screamed in vain",
">\n\nPlease to meet you, won't you guess my name",
">\n\nBut what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!",
">\n\nDo you think people who are inclined to worship the devil are watching the Grammys?",
">\n\nYou can usually find the devil worshipers at church on Sundays",
">\n\nReminds me of Robot Hell from Futurama.",
">\n\nLooks like the economy is rebounding, job numbers are good, and unemployment is low. The GOP naturally needs moral panics to keep their base distracted.",
">\n\nEncouraging devil worship? Where are my clutching pearls and fainting couch?",
">\n\nI'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Thanks, Billy Joel.",
">\n\nEver notice how conservatives don't really have a sense of humor? Or... any artistic merit?",
">\n\nThe only people who even believe in Satan are Christians",
">\n\nUp until a couple years ago, I was a lifelong Republican. I am not a Christian, but I grew up in an evangelical home. \nLet me tell you Ted, you crazy modern day Pharisees, you guys encourage devil worship because you simply have made Christianity look evil. If I have to choose between your Christianity and the devil, I will choose the lessor of two evils, and choose the devil.",
">\n\nIt's so funny that they pretend not to get that outrage gets people talking what with the last 30 years of shock jock comedy being branded as political commentary in the wake of Rush Limbaugh.\nThey could have easily done what I did and not watched it because I don't actually care about industry Awards shows, but instead they bring it into the political conversation, as was likely the plan.",
">\n\nSam is a gospel singer. It’s supposed to be clever.",
">\n\nThat explains why Cruz didn't get it.",
">\n\nWas watching this and thinking oh here we go! Then it ends with Pfizer being the sponsors of the Grammys. Oh the cherry on top. People just clinching their Bibles yelling in tongues and shit lol.",
">\n\nImagine that a 2000-year-old religion could be taken down by Sam Smith.",
">\n\nSatanic religion has better values than the majority of religions. Hail Satan.",
">\n\nSam Smith just doing it to trigger the conservatives is a W",
">\n\ni thought this within the first seconds of watching. the sponsored by pfizer ad right after was the cherry on top too LOL",
">\n\nOh boy, they're bringing back Satanic Panic! I remember this one!",
">\n\nThese damn kids and their rock musics and hip hop speak",
">\n\nNot to get all Billy Joel about it, but I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.",
">\n\n\n\"I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but then slowly realizing it doesn't want me to be a part of it. So it's a take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live, because, you know, as a trans person, I'm kind of already not wanted in religion.\" \n\nThis is your fault, conservatives. \nIf you were able to do THE ONE THING Jesus was known for doing the best, treating people with kindness as brothers and sisters, you wouldn't have this problem. If I were a religious nut job, I'd say Conservative Christians are the work of \"The Devil\". They're judgmental, evil, greedy, and only care about themselves. \nThis is why people hate religion - it's hypocritical.",
">\n\nOk Cancun, your state is freezing with no power",
">\n\nThe USA is one shithouse of a Country.",
">\n\nHail Satan",
">\n\nThat wasn’t George Santos performing?",
">\n\n\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\n\nReligion is a plague on our society. A woman who literally believes demons are floating around or worse believes other human beings are literal demons in physical form. How are we supposed to coexist with loonies like this?",
">\n\nHe worried about people worshipping devils as he takes a knee for Trump",
">\n\nFreedom of religion as long as it’s Christianity. \nDon’t be fooled by these charlatans. They’re faith in a mythical entity comes before our constitution and they won’t stop \nuntil we’re putting “God” on all of our money and there’s a church on every corner and we’re praising Him in our pledge of allegiance……oh shit.",
">\n\nConservatives: demonize gay people for decades\nGay people: makes demons look fabulous \nConservatives: wait..no not like that!",
">\n\nAre we returning to the obsessive satanism phobia like the 80’s-90’s?",
">\n\nWe going back to the Satanic panic? Yeah, cause that went so well....",
">\n\n\"Ted Cruz states opposition to First Amendment religious freedoms\"",
">\n\nSorry Teddy, but Sam Smith isn't gonna turn me to Satanism... but Republican BS and late-stage Capitalism sure will!",
">\n\nThey are getting too much backlash for using the LGBT as fear bait, so they blew off the dust on this old classic.\nCan't wait for reefer madness again",
">\n\nIf you are afraid of a costume perhaps you aren't strong enough to lead.",
">\n\nI wrote a paper about the satanic panic in college twenty years ago. I never thought we would be looking at that societal moment again. \nWe fail our citizens when they get riled up over costumes or words. \nLike half of what Black Sabbath was talking about on their first few albums is the cruelty of conservative living for the poor, mental health and war profiteering.",
">\n\nI think the devil is pretty satisfied with gop yearly offerings of school mass shootings.",
">\n\nTranslation: “Authoritarian Christians who want a theocracy are angry at free expression that doesn't validate their weird convictions.”",
">\n\nPersonally I often feel that Lucifer is more deserving of worship than the Christian “God”.",
">\n\nIf that is the case Christian churches are the most evil for teaching that the devil exists.",
">\n\nWe did the satanic panic in the 80s, Ted. Move on.",
">\n\nWith all the homophobia, transphobia, & racism from the Republican Party, it’s nice to see them going back to the classics: Satanism!!",
">\n\nIf your kids religious beliefs are that weak I'd look in the mirror not at the Grammys.\nNot to mention we know why he really objects to this. His daughter.\nHe was responding to a clip of Smith's performance posted by conservative podcaster Liz Wheeler, who commented \"demons are teaching your kids to worship Satan. I could throw up.\"\nAnd the conservatives are trying to teach the children to hate LGBTQ people even if they are part of it. To hate themselves.",
">\n\nSatan is the good guy in the Bible anyway so why not worship him?",
">\n\nHail Satan and fuck Ted Cruz",
">\n\nDo I have to?",
">\n\nSomebody should go to a petition site and gather signatures for a message telling Ted Cruz that nobody cares what he thinks.",
">\n\nHahaha i did.",
">\n\nEven if it did encourage devil worship, so what? Do we have freedom of religion or not?",
">\n\nEvil is the priest that wants to abuse your kids, this is entertainment.",
">\n\nI wish they would just govern.",
">\n\nI don't know, when they do bad things seem to happen.",
">\n\nI bet Lil Nas X is writing quite a bit in his ideas notebook right now.",
">\n\nThe same Ted Cruz who introduced a bill to limit Congress to 2 terms, but is also seeking reelection.",
">\n\nOogie Boogie! 👹",
">\n\nConsidering that the Grammys are just a giant marketing award, and a celebration of capitalism seems like he’s spitting in his own coffee",
">\n\nAlice Cooper called and said you're in the wrong decade!",
">\n\nWhat I’d give to be able to tell my parents Christianity encourages devil-worship 😂",
">\n\nImagine if Ghost played instead\nHail Satan!"
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it's like that song...99 Red Balloons
sounds like it coulda been that many /s | [] |
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Heard that his General didn't tell him about them. | [
"it's like that song...99 Red Balloons\nsounds like it coulda been that many /s"
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Jim Mattis said he had no knowledge of them! Who’s telling the truth???? | [
"it's like that song...99 Red Balloons\nsounds like it coulda been that many /s",
">\n\nHeard that his General didn't tell him about them."
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what a great attempt to try and cover for Trump. Originally the story was that (what was it?) 3 flew over the US during Trump's presidency. Now some officials are saying they went undetected.
So they are saying that its not a story of Trump not telling the public, it's a case they had no idea... i'm not sure which is actually worse? Either he hid it, or had no idea... | [
"it's like that song...99 Red Balloons\nsounds like it coulda been that many /s",
">\n\nHeard that his General didn't tell him about them.",
">\n\nJim Mattis said he had no knowledge of them! Who’s telling the truth????"
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Based on what I read. I don't think the DoD withheld the info from Trump admin for nefarious reasons. They track hundreds of balloons everyday and are typically not threats. Unless their presence was out of the ordinary (like this past week) then it would be brought to Presidents attention. | [
"it's like that song...99 Red Balloons\nsounds like it coulda been that many /s",
">\n\nHeard that his General didn't tell him about them.",
">\n\nJim Mattis said he had no knowledge of them! Who’s telling the truth????",
">\n\nwhat a great attempt to try and cover for Trump. Originally the story was that (what was it?) 3 flew over the US during Trump's presidency. Now some officials are saying they went undetected.\nSo they are saying that its not a story of Trump not telling the public, it's a case they had no idea... i'm not sure which is actually worse? Either he hid it, or had no idea..."
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r/conservitive's response: It never happened. How could they know that the balloons were undetected if they didn't detect them? Oh it must be bliss... | [
"it's like that song...99 Red Balloons\nsounds like it coulda been that many /s",
">\n\nHeard that his General didn't tell him about them.",
">\n\nJim Mattis said he had no knowledge of them! Who’s telling the truth????",
">\n\nwhat a great attempt to try and cover for Trump. Originally the story was that (what was it?) 3 flew over the US during Trump's presidency. Now some officials are saying they went undetected.\nSo they are saying that its not a story of Trump not telling the public, it's a case they had no idea... i'm not sure which is actually worse? Either he hid it, or had no idea...",
">\n\nBased on what I read. I don't think the DoD withheld the info from Trump admin for nefarious reasons. They track hundreds of balloons everyday and are typically not threats. Unless their presence was out of the ordinary (like this past week) then it would be brought to Presidents attention."
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Don't believe this. In this day and age of internet and cameras, there would have been at least one picture from someone, somewhere of this thing in the sky that prompted a larger discussion. Not sure what this is aimed it, but it's pure disinformation. | [
"it's like that song...99 Red Balloons\nsounds like it coulda been that many /s",
">\n\nHeard that his General didn't tell him about them.",
">\n\nJim Mattis said he had no knowledge of them! Who’s telling the truth????",
">\n\nwhat a great attempt to try and cover for Trump. Originally the story was that (what was it?) 3 flew over the US during Trump's presidency. Now some officials are saying they went undetected.\nSo they are saying that its not a story of Trump not telling the public, it's a case they had no idea... i'm not sure which is actually worse? Either he hid it, or had no idea...",
">\n\nBased on what I read. I don't think the DoD withheld the info from Trump admin for nefarious reasons. They track hundreds of balloons everyday and are typically not threats. Unless their presence was out of the ordinary (like this past week) then it would be brought to Presidents attention.",
">\n\nr/conservitive's response: It never happened. How could they know that the balloons were undetected if they didn't detect them? Oh it must be bliss..."
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My suspicion is that they simply didn't release the info at the time because trump was so unpredictable and untrustworthy.
They wouldn't have released it this time, either, but someone thought it would hurt Biden to leak it to the media. | [
"it's like that song...99 Red Balloons\nsounds like it coulda been that many /s",
">\n\nHeard that his General didn't tell him about them.",
">\n\nJim Mattis said he had no knowledge of them! Who’s telling the truth????",
">\n\nwhat a great attempt to try and cover for Trump. Originally the story was that (what was it?) 3 flew over the US during Trump's presidency. Now some officials are saying they went undetected.\nSo they are saying that its not a story of Trump not telling the public, it's a case they had no idea... i'm not sure which is actually worse? Either he hid it, or had no idea...",
">\n\nBased on what I read. I don't think the DoD withheld the info from Trump admin for nefarious reasons. They track hundreds of balloons everyday and are typically not threats. Unless their presence was out of the ordinary (like this past week) then it would be brought to Presidents attention.",
">\n\nr/conservitive's response: It never happened. How could they know that the balloons were undetected if they didn't detect them? Oh it must be bliss...",
">\n\nDon't believe this. In this day and age of internet and cameras, there would have been at least one picture from someone, somewhere of this thing in the sky that prompted a larger discussion. Not sure what this is aimed it, but it's pure disinformation."
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There's definitely an agenda here. | [
"it's like that song...99 Red Balloons\nsounds like it coulda been that many /s",
">\n\nHeard that his General didn't tell him about them.",
">\n\nJim Mattis said he had no knowledge of them! Who’s telling the truth????",
">\n\nwhat a great attempt to try and cover for Trump. Originally the story was that (what was it?) 3 flew over the US during Trump's presidency. Now some officials are saying they went undetected.\nSo they are saying that its not a story of Trump not telling the public, it's a case they had no idea... i'm not sure which is actually worse? Either he hid it, or had no idea...",
">\n\nBased on what I read. I don't think the DoD withheld the info from Trump admin for nefarious reasons. They track hundreds of balloons everyday and are typically not threats. Unless their presence was out of the ordinary (like this past week) then it would be brought to Presidents attention.",
">\n\nr/conservitive's response: It never happened. How could they know that the balloons were undetected if they didn't detect them? Oh it must be bliss...",
">\n\nDon't believe this. In this day and age of internet and cameras, there would have been at least one picture from someone, somewhere of this thing in the sky that prompted a larger discussion. Not sure what this is aimed it, but it's pure disinformation.",
">\n\nMy suspicion is that they simply didn't release the info at the time because trump was so unpredictable and untrustworthy.\nThey wouldn't have released it this time, either, but someone thought it would hurt Biden to leak it to the media."
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Trump: "Balloon cross the border without being discovered all the time. That's how my guy gets his inventory. Tremendous. You know, they shove them, you know, where the moon doesn't shine." | [
"it's like that song...99 Red Balloons\nsounds like it coulda been that many /s",
">\n\nHeard that his General didn't tell him about them.",
">\n\nJim Mattis said he had no knowledge of them! Who’s telling the truth????",
">\n\nwhat a great attempt to try and cover for Trump. Originally the story was that (what was it?) 3 flew over the US during Trump's presidency. Now some officials are saying they went undetected.\nSo they are saying that its not a story of Trump not telling the public, it's a case they had no idea... i'm not sure which is actually worse? Either he hid it, or had no idea...",
">\n\nBased on what I read. I don't think the DoD withheld the info from Trump admin for nefarious reasons. They track hundreds of balloons everyday and are typically not threats. Unless their presence was out of the ordinary (like this past week) then it would be brought to Presidents attention.",
">\n\nr/conservitive's response: It never happened. How could they know that the balloons were undetected if they didn't detect them? Oh it must be bliss...",
">\n\nDon't believe this. In this day and age of internet and cameras, there would have been at least one picture from someone, somewhere of this thing in the sky that prompted a larger discussion. Not sure what this is aimed it, but it's pure disinformation.",
">\n\nMy suspicion is that they simply didn't release the info at the time because trump was so unpredictable and untrustworthy.\nThey wouldn't have released it this time, either, but someone thought it would hurt Biden to leak it to the media.",
">\n\nThere's definitely an agenda here."
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The scary thing is that weren't detected, or at least not reported.
How many more Chinese (and Russian and North Koreans) spy balloons have gone completely undetected? Or reported as UFOs? | [
"it's like that song...99 Red Balloons\nsounds like it coulda been that many /s",
">\n\nHeard that his General didn't tell him about them.",
">\n\nJim Mattis said he had no knowledge of them! Who’s telling the truth????",
">\n\nwhat a great attempt to try and cover for Trump. Originally the story was that (what was it?) 3 flew over the US during Trump's presidency. Now some officials are saying they went undetected.\nSo they are saying that its not a story of Trump not telling the public, it's a case they had no idea... i'm not sure which is actually worse? Either he hid it, or had no idea...",
">\n\nBased on what I read. I don't think the DoD withheld the info from Trump admin for nefarious reasons. They track hundreds of balloons everyday and are typically not threats. Unless their presence was out of the ordinary (like this past week) then it would be brought to Presidents attention.",
">\n\nr/conservitive's response: It never happened. How could they know that the balloons were undetected if they didn't detect them? Oh it must be bliss...",
">\n\nDon't believe this. In this day and age of internet and cameras, there would have been at least one picture from someone, somewhere of this thing in the sky that prompted a larger discussion. Not sure what this is aimed it, but it's pure disinformation.",
">\n\nMy suspicion is that they simply didn't release the info at the time because trump was so unpredictable and untrustworthy.\nThey wouldn't have released it this time, either, but someone thought it would hurt Biden to leak it to the media.",
">\n\nThere's definitely an agenda here.",
">\n\nTrump: \"Balloon cross the border without being discovered all the time. That's how my guy gets his inventory. Tremendous. You know, they shove them, you know, where the moon doesn't shine.\""
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"it's like that song...99 Red Balloons\nsounds like it coulda been that many /s",
">\n\nHeard that his General didn't tell him about them.",
">\n\nJim Mattis said he had no knowledge of them! Who’s telling the truth????",
">\n\nwhat a great attempt to try and cover for Trump. Originally the story was that (what was it?) 3 flew over the US during Trump's presidency. Now some officials are saying they went undetected.\nSo they are saying that its not a story of Trump not telling the public, it's a case they had no idea... i'm not sure which is actually worse? Either he hid it, or had no idea...",
">\n\nBased on what I read. I don't think the DoD withheld the info from Trump admin for nefarious reasons. They track hundreds of balloons everyday and are typically not threats. Unless their presence was out of the ordinary (like this past week) then it would be brought to Presidents attention.",
">\n\nr/conservitive's response: It never happened. How could they know that the balloons were undetected if they didn't detect them? Oh it must be bliss...",
">\n\nDon't believe this. In this day and age of internet and cameras, there would have been at least one picture from someone, somewhere of this thing in the sky that prompted a larger discussion. Not sure what this is aimed it, but it's pure disinformation.",
">\n\nMy suspicion is that they simply didn't release the info at the time because trump was so unpredictable and untrustworthy.\nThey wouldn't have released it this time, either, but someone thought it would hurt Biden to leak it to the media.",
">\n\nThere's definitely an agenda here.",
">\n\nTrump: \"Balloon cross the border without being discovered all the time. That's how my guy gets his inventory. Tremendous. You know, they shove them, you know, where the moon doesn't shine.\"",
">\n\nThe scary thing is that weren't detected, or at least not reported.\nHow many more Chinese (and Russian and North Koreans) spy balloons have gone completely undetected? Or reported as UFOs?"
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Anyone want to trade one brick for one wool? | [] |
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Keyboards of Catan | [
"Anyone want to trade one brick for one wool?"
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Why are you trying to buy stabs from other people...Just buy some online for $20 or less...
I think it's hard to get people to sell you their stabs because it's weird to ask to buy things that are cheap and easy to buy. for example:
"Can I buy your PS3?" "sure"
"Can I buy those hot dogs you got there?" "what? no, go get your own" | [
"Anyone want to trade one brick for one wool?",
">\n\nKeyboards of Catan"
] |
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just buy if from a vendor tho... | [
"Anyone want to trade one brick for one wool?",
">\n\nKeyboards of Catan",
">\n\nWhy are you trying to buy stabs from other people...Just buy some online for $20 or less...\nI think it's hard to get people to sell you their stabs because it's weird to ask to buy things that are cheap and easy to buy. for example:\n\"Can I buy your PS3?\" \"sure\"\n\"Can I buy those hot dogs you got there?\" \"what? no, go get your own\""
] |
>
just get a small "group buy" together with some friends and avoid shipping! | [
"Anyone want to trade one brick for one wool?",
">\n\nKeyboards of Catan",
">\n\nWhy are you trying to buy stabs from other people...Just buy some online for $20 or less...\nI think it's hard to get people to sell you their stabs because it's weird to ask to buy things that are cheap and easy to buy. for example:\n\"Can I buy your PS3?\" \"sure\"\n\"Can I buy those hot dogs you got there?\" \"what? no, go get your own\"",
">\n\njust buy if from a vendor tho..."
] |
> | [
"Anyone want to trade one brick for one wool?",
">\n\nKeyboards of Catan",
">\n\nWhy are you trying to buy stabs from other people...Just buy some online for $20 or less...\nI think it's hard to get people to sell you their stabs because it's weird to ask to buy things that are cheap and easy to buy. for example:\n\"Can I buy your PS3?\" \"sure\"\n\"Can I buy those hot dogs you got there?\" \"what? no, go get your own\"",
">\n\njust buy if from a vendor tho...",
">\n\njust get a small \"group buy\" together with some friends and avoid shipping!"
] |
Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper. | [] |
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You can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper."
] |
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"Daddy make them stop!" | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum."
] |
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Sep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\""
] |
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And Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016."
] |
>
Imagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.
The US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.
It’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price."
] |
>
sigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now."
] |
>
IMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.).
Because, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to "enslave" and corrupt everything and everybody.
In politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right.
America's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).
And US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%) | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working."
] |
>
Until "Right to Work" and "Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission" are dealt with don't expect much.
Too many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.
With job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)"
] |
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I agree for the most part.
However, for "Right to Work", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.
Because, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).
That's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.
So, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for "Right to Work" regulations on the other side of the pond. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose."
] |
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I fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot.
Let the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition.
What citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.)
The private market looks at the results and says "Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!" and what does capitalism say comes next?
Well in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits.
In a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product.
Public options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up.
I like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond."
] |
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very well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh."
] |
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Housing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.
There aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers? | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well."
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in most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how "public" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend.
what would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?"
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fingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation."
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You posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.
In the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.
There's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest."
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you're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold."
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If only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ??? | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around."
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You mean SOCIALISM???! | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???"
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Isn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!"
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Insulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs."
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Further to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense! | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics"
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Go, California.
Leading the way -- again. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!"
] |
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Go, California.
Leading the way -- always
FTFY | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again."
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its a team effort. we can't do it alone | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY"
] |
>
The people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone"
] |
>
We are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.
It’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives"
] |
>
And that could just be the start, next up: epipen! | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening."
] |
>
Colorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare.
We are ahead of Cali 🥰 | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!"
] |
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The States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.
And in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰"
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As a life-long Californian, I’m proud to be part of a State which will forever be a thorn in the side of the dipshit GOP. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰",
">\n\nThe States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.\nAnd in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper."
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Sad thing is as much as it’s a thorn in the side it also gave arguably the two worst GOP presidents in history. To this day we are trying to fix the problems that Nixon and Reagen created. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰",
">\n\nThe States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.\nAnd in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper.",
">\n\nAs a life-long Californian, I’m proud to be part of a State which will forever be a thorn in the side of the dipshit GOP."
] |
>
The decisions Reagan made has Truly fucked the US. Unbelievable how one president could really stick it to so many generations after he’s dead. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰",
">\n\nThe States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.\nAnd in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper.",
">\n\nAs a life-long Californian, I’m proud to be part of a State which will forever be a thorn in the side of the dipshit GOP.",
">\n\nSad thing is as much as it’s a thorn in the side it also gave arguably the two worst GOP presidents in history. To this day we are trying to fix the problems that Nixon and Reagen created."
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Huh. California is the world's fifth largest economy, so they should be able to pull that off. And I'll bet they could sell to Washington and Oregon as well. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰",
">\n\nThe States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.\nAnd in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper.",
">\n\nAs a life-long Californian, I’m proud to be part of a State which will forever be a thorn in the side of the dipshit GOP.",
">\n\nSad thing is as much as it’s a thorn in the side it also gave arguably the two worst GOP presidents in history. To this day we are trying to fix the problems that Nixon and Reagen created.",
">\n\nThe decisions Reagan made has Truly fucked the US. Unbelievable how one president could really stick it to so many generations after he’s dead."
] |
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Fourth largest, we recently surpassed Germany. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰",
">\n\nThe States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.\nAnd in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper.",
">\n\nAs a life-long Californian, I’m proud to be part of a State which will forever be a thorn in the side of the dipshit GOP.",
">\n\nSad thing is as much as it’s a thorn in the side it also gave arguably the two worst GOP presidents in history. To this day we are trying to fix the problems that Nixon and Reagen created.",
">\n\nThe decisions Reagan made has Truly fucked the US. Unbelievable how one president could really stick it to so many generations after he’s dead.",
">\n\nHuh. California is the world's fifth largest economy, so they should be able to pull that off. And I'll bet they could sell to Washington and Oregon as well."
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There you go! Bayer on Pacific. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰",
">\n\nThe States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.\nAnd in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper.",
">\n\nAs a life-long Californian, I’m proud to be part of a State which will forever be a thorn in the side of the dipshit GOP.",
">\n\nSad thing is as much as it’s a thorn in the side it also gave arguably the two worst GOP presidents in history. To this day we are trying to fix the problems that Nixon and Reagen created.",
">\n\nThe decisions Reagan made has Truly fucked the US. Unbelievable how one president could really stick it to so many generations after he’s dead.",
">\n\nHuh. California is the world's fifth largest economy, so they should be able to pull that off. And I'll bet they could sell to Washington and Oregon as well.",
">\n\nFourth largest, we recently surpassed Germany."
] |
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Good shit, I hope a coalition of states can get together on making this something big. This could help so many people. The pharmaceutical industry can go fuck itself. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰",
">\n\nThe States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.\nAnd in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper.",
">\n\nAs a life-long Californian, I’m proud to be part of a State which will forever be a thorn in the side of the dipshit GOP.",
">\n\nSad thing is as much as it’s a thorn in the side it also gave arguably the two worst GOP presidents in history. To this day we are trying to fix the problems that Nixon and Reagen created.",
">\n\nThe decisions Reagan made has Truly fucked the US. Unbelievable how one president could really stick it to so many generations after he’s dead.",
">\n\nHuh. California is the world's fifth largest economy, so they should be able to pull that off. And I'll bet they could sell to Washington and Oregon as well.",
">\n\nFourth largest, we recently surpassed Germany.",
">\n\nThere you go! Bayer on Pacific."
] |
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State health care that ends up being cheaper might make people realize that single payer isn't such a bad idea after all. If you can get your meds as cheap as possible that's only a good thing. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰",
">\n\nThe States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.\nAnd in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper.",
">\n\nAs a life-long Californian, I’m proud to be part of a State which will forever be a thorn in the side of the dipshit GOP.",
">\n\nSad thing is as much as it’s a thorn in the side it also gave arguably the two worst GOP presidents in history. To this day we are trying to fix the problems that Nixon and Reagen created.",
">\n\nThe decisions Reagan made has Truly fucked the US. Unbelievable how one president could really stick it to so many generations after he’s dead.",
">\n\nHuh. California is the world's fifth largest economy, so they should be able to pull that off. And I'll bet they could sell to Washington and Oregon as well.",
">\n\nFourth largest, we recently surpassed Germany.",
">\n\nThere you go! Bayer on Pacific.",
">\n\nGood shit, I hope a coalition of states can get together on making this something big. This could help so many people. The pharmaceutical industry can go fuck itself."
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Ahh, the for-profit healthcare system that no other first world country is trying to copy! | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰",
">\n\nThe States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.\nAnd in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper.",
">\n\nAs a life-long Californian, I’m proud to be part of a State which will forever be a thorn in the side of the dipshit GOP.",
">\n\nSad thing is as much as it’s a thorn in the side it also gave arguably the two worst GOP presidents in history. To this day we are trying to fix the problems that Nixon and Reagen created.",
">\n\nThe decisions Reagan made has Truly fucked the US. Unbelievable how one president could really stick it to so many generations after he’s dead.",
">\n\nHuh. California is the world's fifth largest economy, so they should be able to pull that off. And I'll bet they could sell to Washington and Oregon as well.",
">\n\nFourth largest, we recently surpassed Germany.",
">\n\nThere you go! Bayer on Pacific.",
">\n\nGood shit, I hope a coalition of states can get together on making this something big. This could help so many people. The pharmaceutical industry can go fuck itself.",
">\n\nState health care that ends up being cheaper might make people realize that single payer isn't such a bad idea after all. If you can get your meds as cheap as possible that's only a good thing."
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Governments should be producing ALL essential drugs with expired patents. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰",
">\n\nThe States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.\nAnd in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper.",
">\n\nAs a life-long Californian, I’m proud to be part of a State which will forever be a thorn in the side of the dipshit GOP.",
">\n\nSad thing is as much as it’s a thorn in the side it also gave arguably the two worst GOP presidents in history. To this day we are trying to fix the problems that Nixon and Reagen created.",
">\n\nThe decisions Reagan made has Truly fucked the US. Unbelievable how one president could really stick it to so many generations after he’s dead.",
">\n\nHuh. California is the world's fifth largest economy, so they should be able to pull that off. And I'll bet they could sell to Washington and Oregon as well.",
">\n\nFourth largest, we recently surpassed Germany.",
">\n\nThere you go! Bayer on Pacific.",
">\n\nGood shit, I hope a coalition of states can get together on making this something big. This could help so many people. The pharmaceutical industry can go fuck itself.",
">\n\nState health care that ends up being cheaper might make people realize that single payer isn't such a bad idea after all. If you can get your meds as cheap as possible that's only a good thing.",
">\n\nAhh, the for-profit healthcare system that no other first world country is trying to copy!"
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Yup, if anyone doubts that CA can pull this off they’ve already created & run a semi-similar program quite successfully.
The state of California essentially funded and created the cure for infantile botulism (and obtainable regardless of where you live.) It wasn’t financially lucrative for private companies to make this medicine. It was an orphan disease but babies were dying. California stepped in and now manufacturers the drug (called BabyBig) that’s saved over 2000+ infants to date.
I moved to CA about 2 years ago. In addition to having a very positive experience here, I’ve learned a lot about the state and have always found this a particularly interesting story. And additional props to the amazing CA doctor who started the program. | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰",
">\n\nThe States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.\nAnd in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper.",
">\n\nAs a life-long Californian, I’m proud to be part of a State which will forever be a thorn in the side of the dipshit GOP.",
">\n\nSad thing is as much as it’s a thorn in the side it also gave arguably the two worst GOP presidents in history. To this day we are trying to fix the problems that Nixon and Reagen created.",
">\n\nThe decisions Reagan made has Truly fucked the US. Unbelievable how one president could really stick it to so many generations after he’s dead.",
">\n\nHuh. California is the world's fifth largest economy, so they should be able to pull that off. And I'll bet they could sell to Washington and Oregon as well.",
">\n\nFourth largest, we recently surpassed Germany.",
">\n\nThere you go! Bayer on Pacific.",
">\n\nGood shit, I hope a coalition of states can get together on making this something big. This could help so many people. The pharmaceutical industry can go fuck itself.",
">\n\nState health care that ends up being cheaper might make people realize that single payer isn't such a bad idea after all. If you can get your meds as cheap as possible that's only a good thing.",
">\n\nAhh, the for-profit healthcare system that no other first world country is trying to copy!",
">\n\nGovernments should be producing ALL essential drugs with expired patents."
] |
>
yeah i have no idea how people paint california as some kind of weird dystopian high tax hellscape, taxes are single digit in my income bracket and the only downside is the state is toothless when it comes to dealing with the power companies because of regulatory capture, but at least the power doesn't go out | [
"Driving down the cost of living should be a bedrock democrat priority. Necessities need to be cheaper.",
">\n\nYou can bet that at least Manchin will be one of the ones throwing a temper tantrum.",
">\n\n\"Daddy make them stop!\"",
">\n\nSep 21, 2021 Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, was the president and chief executive officer of Mylan Inc ., a pharmaceutical company that specialized in generic drugs. The company raised the price of a two-pack of EpiPen from around $124 dollars in 2009 to $609 in 2016.",
">\n\nAnd Manchin help push through making them mandatory in schools, at full price.",
">\n\nImagine if all of our politicians did their jobs and acted in the best interest of their constituents instead of betraying their offices by fucking over Americans, purely to continue stacking up their already considerable wealth.\nThe US has so much wealth, power, and resources; just imagine how much more prosperous all of our lives could be (99% of them anyways) be if our elected officials actually did their jobs and ran the all-time richest ever country for the people.\nIt’s a damn shame that the lack of a limit for greed is one of the main flaws of human psychology... we could’ve been such a more advanced, healthy civilization by now.",
">\n\nsigh...we need a 4th branch to watch the congress, 5th branch to watch the supreme court, 6th branch to watch the president, because the three branches checks and balances are not working.",
">\n\nIMHO, the biggest thing America is lacking is a free and well organized workforce (e.g. real unions, workers' owned news media, workers' NGOs and other associations, etc.). \nBecause, in government and in the economy, they are the counterbalance to the elites, to corporations and to the ultra-wealthy. Without them, there's no checks-and-balances nor resistance on capitalism's path to \"enslave\" and corrupt everything and everybody.\nIn politics, they are to left wing parties, what capitalists are to right wing parties. Without them, left wing parties are severely weakened and tend to drift to the right. \nAmerica's unions and workforce have been castrated, put in straitjackets, and stripped of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that several European countries take for granted, such as Denmark and other Nordic countries, Germany, France, and Switzerland).\nAnd US population has been brainwashed into thinking of them as Satan's children. Thus, only 10% of the workforce is unionized (e.g. Denmark 67%, Sweden 65%, Iceland 91%)",
">\n\nUntil \"Right to Work\" and \"Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission\" are dealt with don't expect much.\nToo many American families have been beat down to where two incomes are needed to stay afloat. Lose one income and the family is in dire financial straights.\nWith job protections being minimal and (for the most part) weak unions don't expect much until a significant percent decide they have nothing to lose.",
">\n\nI agree for the most part.\nHowever, for \"Right to Work\", it wouldn't be a problem, if unions were actually free, and had, at least, the same rights and freedoms as in Europe.\nBecause, there, unions are independent from all corporations and all branches. They are associations that you join outside of your company. They are active at industry and national levels. They negotiate directly with the government, political parties, and industry representatives to implement industry/nation wide regulations, that are binding to all companies (and certainly not at company, and even less at branch levels).\nThat's why, in Europe, companies, branches, and bosses don't care (and don't even know) if you're a member of a union or not. Because regulations affect equally all companies in an industry and/or in the country.\nSo, there are no incentives for union busting/suppression, nor any for \"Right to Work\" regulations on the other side of the pond.",
">\n\nI fucking love public options, god fucking damn that shit is so hot. \nLet the private market exist, if we can't force their prices down with regulation then we can do it with competition. \nWhat citizen in California is going to look at $500 insulin produced on the private market and choose it over identical insulin produced publicly and sold for $50? (I don't know if California will be able to produce at the same scale as the private market, so their costs to produce may be higher, limited manufacturing infrastructure and whatnot.) \nThe private market looks at the results and says \"Holy shit we just lost 85% of our sales in California!\" and what does capitalism say comes next? \nWell in a perfect world big pharma invents Insulin 2: The Diabeatening, they sell their better product at a justifiable premium and they make back their profits. \nIn a slightly less perfect world they'll respond by dropping their prices, some bean licker in accounting will do the math and determine that if they drop their prices down from $500 to $49.99 they can regain majority market share while continuing to make 300% margins on their product. \nPublic options are dope, they provide an inexpensive alternative, they compete against the private market, they benefit existing customers and those in need alike, and they're a good way to leverage industry change; California can't exactly offer a better product, the best they can do is offer a better priced product, but when you think about a public healthcare option we could use that to provide better baseline benefits, then the private market has to keep up. \nI like what California is doing, they're using the capitalist market dynamics to ~~destroy~~ rein in the capitalism. Lol, don't kill half of all insurance in the universe, just create more healthcare, duh.",
">\n\nvery well said, i completely agree with you. Now CA needs to use this model for the housing crisis. if we leave it to the tender mercies of real estate developers all we're going to get are million dollar lux condos. having the state and local governments own and operate housing is the only way to bring in competition and lower the over all costs. if the state can use eminent domain so expand airports they can use it to set aside land for housing as well.",
">\n\nHousing projects already exist. They suck because maintenance isn't kept up on them. That's part of the problem.\nThere aren't enough construction workers. Contractors are shady losers who got too old to do construction. Building codes have become stricter but what schools are producing construction workers?",
">\n\nin most places public housing is a private concern and the lack of upkeep is greed. this is why public housing actually needs to be owned and operated by the city. in most places Section 8 is how \"public\" housing is handled. and i agree with you completely, the people operating those buildings are almost to a person huge pieces of shit. there is a trade school in downtown LA cranking out electricians, plumbers and construction workers. it's free and students get a decent stipend. \nwhat would you suggest if this isn't it? cause we've been relying on private business for decades and here we are. if private enterprise was the answer we wouldn't be having this conversation.",
">\n\nfingers crossed. if the city actually stays on top of them it might work, but given the problems a lot of my friends in the city are having just getting the heat turned on i'll wait and see how it goes before getting too excited. i still don't see why the city can't managed them as well. if a for profit company can afford to make a profit and still do repairs and staff the building it seems like the city could do it too, and cheaper. it's almost like we've decided to let real estate developers make all the rules, and it's almost like we've decided we can't do anything with out them. trust me, these are not the best and brightest, but def the greediest and laziest.",
">\n\nYou posted 7 minutes after me. You didn't read the article.\n\nIn the case of Baychester, for example, NYCHA was spending $14,000 a year per apartment, pouring cash into deteriorating properties. The new managers are spending $9,000 per apartment. Their costs are lower because moldy, leaky buildings have been upgraded to meet current energy standards and they require less maintenance.\n\nThere's lazy and greedy city workers too. Especially the ones who didn't fix the mold.",
">\n\nyou're right, i haven't read it, yet. and of course there is enough blame to go around.",
">\n\nIf only there was some type of public .....healthcare....or something ???",
">\n\nYou mean SOCIALISM???!",
">\n\nIsn’t it a uniquely American paradox when unchecked capitalism causes the government to get into medicine production to solve basic human needs.",
">\n\nInsulin shouldn’t be expensive. It’s free on the NHS here in the UK because it’s so important to diabetics",
">\n\nFurther to this, the UK government pays nowhere near what an uninsured American diabetic has to pay for the exact same medication. Take Apidra (insulin glulisine) for example. A box of 5 solostar pens costs 28.30GBP (34.14USD) to the UK government (source: bnf.nice.org.uk) while an american diabetic would pay upwards of 500USD and that's including a discount! (source goodrx.com). Make it make sense!",
">\n\nGo, California. \nLeading the way -- again.",
">\n\n\nGo, California.\nLeading the way -- always\n\nFTFY",
">\n\nits a team effort. we can't do it alone",
">\n\nThe people who extort diabetics for their life savings literally belong in a gulag doing hard labor for the rest of their lives",
">\n\nWe are viewed as, “Lifelong patients for better management of diabetes,” in a vast majority of situations as opposed to, you know, very sick people who could use a cure. Diabetes is funky because it’s mostly invisible unless it’s terribly controlled. So unlike cancer and Alzheimer’s, people can shrug and point saying, “Well they didn’t take care of themselves,” when something bad happens.\nIt’s brutal and unfortunately where I think we are destined to be forever. I long gave up on seeing a cure in my lifetime. So did my great grandmother. And my grandmother. We are far too profitable for private companies to actually cure, with a ton of plausible deniability for people to blame us anytime something bad happens. It’s sickening.",
">\n\nAnd that could just be the start, next up: epipen!",
">\n\nColorado is in process of capping the cost at $60 for 2 pack. 😤 $35 out of pocket for insulin among ppl w Medicare. \nWe are ahead of Cali 🥰",
">\n\nThe States need to do like Europe and leverage the prices before they hit market.\nAnd in Norway (at least) anything diabetes related is free of charge. Because healthy diabetics are much cheaper.",
">\n\nAs a life-long Californian, I’m proud to be part of a State which will forever be a thorn in the side of the dipshit GOP.",
">\n\nSad thing is as much as it’s a thorn in the side it also gave arguably the two worst GOP presidents in history. To this day we are trying to fix the problems that Nixon and Reagen created.",
">\n\nThe decisions Reagan made has Truly fucked the US. Unbelievable how one president could really stick it to so many generations after he’s dead.",
">\n\nHuh. California is the world's fifth largest economy, so they should be able to pull that off. And I'll bet they could sell to Washington and Oregon as well.",
">\n\nFourth largest, we recently surpassed Germany.",
">\n\nThere you go! Bayer on Pacific.",
">\n\nGood shit, I hope a coalition of states can get together on making this something big. This could help so many people. The pharmaceutical industry can go fuck itself.",
">\n\nState health care that ends up being cheaper might make people realize that single payer isn't such a bad idea after all. If you can get your meds as cheap as possible that's only a good thing.",
">\n\nAhh, the for-profit healthcare system that no other first world country is trying to copy!",
">\n\nGovernments should be producing ALL essential drugs with expired patents.",
">\n\nYup, if anyone doubts that CA can pull this off they’ve already created & run a semi-similar program quite successfully. \nThe state of California essentially funded and created the cure for infantile botulism (and obtainable regardless of where you live.) It wasn’t financially lucrative for private companies to make this medicine. It was an orphan disease but babies were dying. California stepped in and now manufacturers the drug (called BabyBig) that’s saved over 2000+ infants to date.\nI moved to CA about 2 years ago. In addition to having a very positive experience here, I’ve learned a lot about the state and have always found this a particularly interesting story. And additional props to the amazing CA doctor who started the program."
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