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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\"." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder)." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50.", ">\n\nBecause in fiction assassins take out mob boss scum bags in over the top action sequences when In reality hit men just blow a whole through some jo shmos head for an insurance scam." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50.", ">\n\nBecause in fiction assassins take out mob boss scum bags in over the top action sequences when In reality hit men just blow a whole through some jo shmos head for an insurance scam.", ">\n\nWell, most of the assassins we “know” are fictional characters, often with great style and personality or even great techniques or just cool costumes. But you can watch Barry. It’s a tv show. It’s an interesting take on assassins." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50.", ">\n\nBecause in fiction assassins take out mob boss scum bags in over the top action sequences when In reality hit men just blow a whole through some jo shmos head for an insurance scam.", ">\n\nWell, most of the assassins we “know” are fictional characters, often with great style and personality or even great techniques or just cool costumes. But you can watch Barry. It’s a tv show. It’s an interesting take on assassins.", ">\n\nUniversally despised? It seems rather popular and trending to me. It’s one of humanity’s favorite past times" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50.", ">\n\nBecause in fiction assassins take out mob boss scum bags in over the top action sequences when In reality hit men just blow a whole through some jo shmos head for an insurance scam.", ">\n\nWell, most of the assassins we “know” are fictional characters, often with great style and personality or even great techniques or just cool costumes. But you can watch Barry. It’s a tv show. It’s an interesting take on assassins.", ">\n\nUniversally despised? It seems rather popular and trending to me. It’s one of humanity’s favorite past times", ">\n\nThe thing about assassins is they are usually killing people that are playing dangerous and devious games, which leads to there death. So more often then not these people that are being assassinated deserve to die." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50.", ">\n\nBecause in fiction assassins take out mob boss scum bags in over the top action sequences when In reality hit men just blow a whole through some jo shmos head for an insurance scam.", ">\n\nWell, most of the assassins we “know” are fictional characters, often with great style and personality or even great techniques or just cool costumes. But you can watch Barry. It’s a tv show. It’s an interesting take on assassins.", ">\n\nUniversally despised? It seems rather popular and trending to me. It’s one of humanity’s favorite past times", ">\n\nThe thing about assassins is they are usually killing people that are playing dangerous and devious games, which leads to there death. So more often then not these people that are being assassinated deserve to die.", ">\n\nAssassins are almost always portrayed as righteous vigilantes, spies for governments working for a common good, or getting personal vengeance for extreme evil. If people associated them with images of whacking husbands and wives for wealth, revenge for snitching, etc etc then they'd probably get shit on. I don't think people really consider that assassins do actually exist." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50.", ">\n\nBecause in fiction assassins take out mob boss scum bags in over the top action sequences when In reality hit men just blow a whole through some jo shmos head for an insurance scam.", ">\n\nWell, most of the assassins we “know” are fictional characters, often with great style and personality or even great techniques or just cool costumes. But you can watch Barry. It’s a tv show. It’s an interesting take on assassins.", ">\n\nUniversally despised? It seems rather popular and trending to me. It’s one of humanity’s favorite past times", ">\n\nThe thing about assassins is they are usually killing people that are playing dangerous and devious games, which leads to there death. So more often then not these people that are being assassinated deserve to die.", ">\n\nAssassins are almost always portrayed as righteous vigilantes, spies for governments working for a common good, or getting personal vengeance for extreme evil. If people associated them with images of whacking husbands and wives for wealth, revenge for snitching, etc etc then they'd probably get shit on. I don't think people really consider that assassins do actually exist.", ">\n\nHow many real life assassins are you aware of? Lol. You’re thinking of like John Wick who is not a real person and kills bad guys." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50.", ">\n\nBecause in fiction assassins take out mob boss scum bags in over the top action sequences when In reality hit men just blow a whole through some jo shmos head for an insurance scam.", ">\n\nWell, most of the assassins we “know” are fictional characters, often with great style and personality or even great techniques or just cool costumes. But you can watch Barry. It’s a tv show. It’s an interesting take on assassins.", ">\n\nUniversally despised? It seems rather popular and trending to me. It’s one of humanity’s favorite past times", ">\n\nThe thing about assassins is they are usually killing people that are playing dangerous and devious games, which leads to there death. So more often then not these people that are being assassinated deserve to die.", ">\n\nAssassins are almost always portrayed as righteous vigilantes, spies for governments working for a common good, or getting personal vengeance for extreme evil. If people associated them with images of whacking husbands and wives for wealth, revenge for snitching, etc etc then they'd probably get shit on. I don't think people really consider that assassins do actually exist.", ">\n\nHow many real life assassins are you aware of? Lol. You’re thinking of like John Wick who is not a real person and kills bad guys.", ">\n\nIf you’re a paid professional, we’ll then, that’s a different story!" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50.", ">\n\nBecause in fiction assassins take out mob boss scum bags in over the top action sequences when In reality hit men just blow a whole through some jo shmos head for an insurance scam.", ">\n\nWell, most of the assassins we “know” are fictional characters, often with great style and personality or even great techniques or just cool costumes. But you can watch Barry. It’s a tv show. It’s an interesting take on assassins.", ">\n\nUniversally despised? It seems rather popular and trending to me. It’s one of humanity’s favorite past times", ">\n\nThe thing about assassins is they are usually killing people that are playing dangerous and devious games, which leads to there death. So more often then not these people that are being assassinated deserve to die.", ">\n\nAssassins are almost always portrayed as righteous vigilantes, spies for governments working for a common good, or getting personal vengeance for extreme evil. If people associated them with images of whacking husbands and wives for wealth, revenge for snitching, etc etc then they'd probably get shit on. I don't think people really consider that assassins do actually exist.", ">\n\nHow many real life assassins are you aware of? Lol. You’re thinking of like John Wick who is not a real person and kills bad guys.", ">\n\nIf you’re a paid professional, we’ll then, that’s a different story!", ">\n\nI think that might be the reason because it is kind of fictional thing?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50.", ">\n\nBecause in fiction assassins take out mob boss scum bags in over the top action sequences when In reality hit men just blow a whole through some jo shmos head for an insurance scam.", ">\n\nWell, most of the assassins we “know” are fictional characters, often with great style and personality or even great techniques or just cool costumes. But you can watch Barry. It’s a tv show. It’s an interesting take on assassins.", ">\n\nUniversally despised? It seems rather popular and trending to me. It’s one of humanity’s favorite past times", ">\n\nThe thing about assassins is they are usually killing people that are playing dangerous and devious games, which leads to there death. So more often then not these people that are being assassinated deserve to die.", ">\n\nAssassins are almost always portrayed as righteous vigilantes, spies for governments working for a common good, or getting personal vengeance for extreme evil. If people associated them with images of whacking husbands and wives for wealth, revenge for snitching, etc etc then they'd probably get shit on. I don't think people really consider that assassins do actually exist.", ">\n\nHow many real life assassins are you aware of? Lol. You’re thinking of like John Wick who is not a real person and kills bad guys.", ">\n\nIf you’re a paid professional, we’ll then, that’s a different story!", ">\n\nI think that might be the reason because it is kind of fictional thing?", ">\n\nAssassins often kill powerful people of interest who are causing widespread social/political/economic unrest. It’s a case of “The ends justify the means”\nMurder is often associated with very selfish motives or no motives at all and thus are a simple waste of life. \nKilling is in no way moral, but if you take two points in time and see a drastic improvement between them, it’s often easy to ignore the actions taken in between to make that improvement take place." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50.", ">\n\nBecause in fiction assassins take out mob boss scum bags in over the top action sequences when In reality hit men just blow a whole through some jo shmos head for an insurance scam.", ">\n\nWell, most of the assassins we “know” are fictional characters, often with great style and personality or even great techniques or just cool costumes. But you can watch Barry. It’s a tv show. It’s an interesting take on assassins.", ">\n\nUniversally despised? It seems rather popular and trending to me. It’s one of humanity’s favorite past times", ">\n\nThe thing about assassins is they are usually killing people that are playing dangerous and devious games, which leads to there death. So more often then not these people that are being assassinated deserve to die.", ">\n\nAssassins are almost always portrayed as righteous vigilantes, spies for governments working for a common good, or getting personal vengeance for extreme evil. If people associated them with images of whacking husbands and wives for wealth, revenge for snitching, etc etc then they'd probably get shit on. I don't think people really consider that assassins do actually exist.", ">\n\nHow many real life assassins are you aware of? Lol. You’re thinking of like John Wick who is not a real person and kills bad guys.", ">\n\nIf you’re a paid professional, we’ll then, that’s a different story!", ">\n\nI think that might be the reason because it is kind of fictional thing?", ">\n\nAssassins often kill powerful people of interest who are causing widespread social/political/economic unrest. It’s a case of “The ends justify the means”\nMurder is often associated with very selfish motives or no motives at all and thus are a simple waste of life. \nKilling is in no way moral, but if you take two points in time and see a drastic improvement between them, it’s often easy to ignore the actions taken in between to make that improvement take place.", ">\n\nBaby showers are gifts for mothers and babies And the first thing that a baby and a mother need after birth is an actual shower." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50.", ">\n\nBecause in fiction assassins take out mob boss scum bags in over the top action sequences when In reality hit men just blow a whole through some jo shmos head for an insurance scam.", ">\n\nWell, most of the assassins we “know” are fictional characters, often with great style and personality or even great techniques or just cool costumes. But you can watch Barry. It’s a tv show. It’s an interesting take on assassins.", ">\n\nUniversally despised? It seems rather popular and trending to me. It’s one of humanity’s favorite past times", ">\n\nThe thing about assassins is they are usually killing people that are playing dangerous and devious games, which leads to there death. So more often then not these people that are being assassinated deserve to die.", ">\n\nAssassins are almost always portrayed as righteous vigilantes, spies for governments working for a common good, or getting personal vengeance for extreme evil. If people associated them with images of whacking husbands and wives for wealth, revenge for snitching, etc etc then they'd probably get shit on. I don't think people really consider that assassins do actually exist.", ">\n\nHow many real life assassins are you aware of? Lol. You’re thinking of like John Wick who is not a real person and kills bad guys.", ">\n\nIf you’re a paid professional, we’ll then, that’s a different story!", ">\n\nI think that might be the reason because it is kind of fictional thing?", ">\n\nAssassins often kill powerful people of interest who are causing widespread social/political/economic unrest. It’s a case of “The ends justify the means”\nMurder is often associated with very selfish motives or no motives at all and thus are a simple waste of life. \nKilling is in no way moral, but if you take two points in time and see a drastic improvement between them, it’s often easy to ignore the actions taken in between to make that improvement take place.", ">\n\nBaby showers are gifts for mothers and babies And the first thing that a baby and a mother need after birth is an actual shower.", ">\n\nIn the same way so many people deem automatic machine guns and rocket launchers as 'cool'." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nPeople just think villains in stories are often cool. They're also not killing real people. The people who actually think really killers are cool are the psychos who are writing to death row inmates and excitedly following their career.", ">\n\nWe have to remember that everybody loves Darth Vader as a villain when he's literally space wizard Hitler. The character is amazing for how it is designed, but nobody can ever really idolize the character itself or their actions.", ">\n\nSpace wizard Himmler: he’s not in charge and he’s not even loyal.", ">\n\nPalpatine is apparently Nixon.", ">\n\nYeah, George Lucas made it very clear in interviews that star wars in about vietnam, not ww2.", ">\n\nThat may apply for the Original Trilogy, but the prequels definitely have a lot of parallels with WWII fascism. And anyone with eyes can tell the stormtroopers and the Empire's fashion was clearly inspired by Nazis.", ">\n\nthe fall of the republic is simultaneously the rise of nazi Germany and the fall of the Roman Republic. that's how I've always seen it", ">\n\nThat is kind of true that how I am seeing it to.\nThat's pretty much it.", ">\n\nMythologized assassins are cool, calculating professionals, often with near-superhuman skill and grace. Real life assassins are often just desperate, violent people who don't give a shit about others.", ">\n\nI was going to say movie assassins are cool, suave and spy like like James Bond. I don't think anyone in real life would meet a cartel hitman or mercenary assassin and assume they're suave and cool. I believe government assassinations these days are contracted out to private mercenaries for various reasons, although obviously I don't have proof of that it's just something that comes up when I've read about the role of private armies in geopolitics.\nOn a side note, the show Barry does a good job of portraying what an assassin would actually be like in real life in my opinion. Detached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.", ">\n\n\nDetached, lonely, and unable to relate to people for the most part.\n\nTIL all Redditors are assassins.", ">\n\nI mean they all assassinate their social lives", ">\n\nYou can't kill what's already dead.", ">\n\nAssassin: I efficiently kill people for money \nPublic: Wow, how evil!\nAssassin: ...but never children or parents of young children \nPublic: Damn that's so cool. You have principles!", ">\n\n\"Dad, I'm an assassin, not a crazed gunman, ones a job, the others mental sickness!\"", ">\n\n“I’ll be honest with you, my parents, do NOT care for it.”", ">\n\nAnyone who didn't think assassins were cool mysteriously died.", ">\n\nFinally, something on Reddit that made me laugh", ">\n\nMaybe they just believe assassin's only kill bad folks so it's not so bad", ">\n\nLike John Wick. In the movies, he only kills other assassins and organized crime bosses. Who did he kill before he chose to retire? His past work haunts him, but not the kills in the movies.", ">\n\nHe kills about 500 henchmen. You know, Joe Mafia bodyguard, grinding out a living. Until John Wick kills him over a dog.", ">\n\nHe came out of retirement, but we don’t know who he killed before he “retired”. So NOT counting who we seen him kill, who did he kill before we first meet Wick?", ">\n\nAt this point it's honestly believable he only killed other assassins somehow. They went from basically being the Russian mob to being an entire damn shadow government. They got assassins crawling out of the woodwork, ain't no way there's enough legitimate targets to employ that many unless half of them are working day jobs. Like half the homeless population of New York is a damn assassin.", ">\n\njohn wick gets cut off in traffic\n\"this guy must be an assassin\"", ">\n\nI don’t think rational adults think real-life assassins are “cool”.", ">\n\nMost people haven't met a real life assassin", ">\n\nThat they knew was a real life assassin.", ">\n\nAt least, they didn't know for very long", ">\n\nMaybe you don't know that you know one Assassin in your real life.", ">\n\nLol who idolizes real life assassins? From fiction yeah maybe but they are characters not real people that went around murdering.", ">\n\nA ton of people support the death penalty, a ton more thing that other bad people should be killed. We fight wars, we support troops(who murder people), etc etc. Human's don't \"universally despise\" murder at all, we actually love it. We just want it to be certain people that are murdered.", ">\n\nNot the same", ">\n\nKilling is killing my dude. It’s just a matter of whether or not you think it was justified.", ">\n\nThat's not an assassin though Look for the definition of it. Also so all the Ukrainians that are defending the invasion of their land cant be considered heroes for putting their life on the line to defend their country and their people?", ">\n\nAll I am saying, is that taking another humans life, is not “universally despised” like the OP says. You are proving my point by listing killings that are acceptable. The special forces team that took out bin Laden are assassins and almost everybody in the United States approved of that.", ">\n\nYou know what that kind of make sense now that you have put it that way.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised when it's done people who deserve it. Pretty much every video game and movie about assassins are about killing people who deserve it and that's what makes it cool.", ">\n\nSome people do such horrible crimes that giving them death penalty might not be a bad idea.", ">\n\nControversial comment: I think it depends on how you define murder…", ">\n\nOkay then you should tell me what is the definition of Murder.", ">\n\n“Feelings? Look mate, you know who's got a lot of feelings? Blokes what bludgeon their wives to death wi' a golf trophy. Professionals have standards: be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.\" \n~Sniper", ">\n\n\"Now listen up boy! Or else a pornography staring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today.\" ~Spy", ">\n\nIt is really funny that governments are banning p**** around the world.", ">\n\nglances nervously at the number of serial murderer documentaries", ">\n\nAnd I have watched all of the man I'm such a horrible person for doing that but those are those are really interesting I don't think you would hate me for watching a documentary.", ">\n\nOh, I understand why people like them. It is inherently dramatic because the stakes were life.", ">\n\nSame thing could be said about the mafia, military, cartel, gangs, pirates, pimps, violent video games, etc.\nIt’s the difference between enjoying a “fictional” character versus despising an actual act against real people", ">\n\nI think that similar things can be said aur those things also.", ">\n\nI remember watching a documentary about a Russian sniper from World War 2. He was 80 or more, and even all these years later, his hands were literally shaking like a leaf when he recollected his experience. He was forever scarred, you cannot just murder another person and be left unscathed. Real life is not a videogame, humans are not NPC's, when an NPC dies you know they're just one of thousand respawning blobs without personality. When a human being dies, a world loses something valuable that can never be replaced.", ">\n\nExactly, so many people are saying stuff like what if they only kill bad people and not good people....like there is no difference...just different sides expressly in war...no matter how evil someone is they have probably laughed, cried, and loved something as much as you do...even those we would consider \"monsters\" that get joy from causing harm and suffering to others....it's still hard to want to just kill them. We are social animals we made it this far by helping each other, but we have been killing each other for almost as long...still violence against another human takes it's toll on our minds because we know we shouldn't have to do it.", ">\n\nThat's what people do they says to because there are no consequences to that.", ">\n\nWhat??", ">\n\nonly by teens or weird adults who never grew out of their edgy phase", ">\n\nExplains my ex", ">\n\nThe only person who can do that I think that is you.", ">\n\nWell you just demonstrated that murder isn’t universally despised, given that we make exceptions. I’m sure everyone could make a list of people whose murder they wouldn’t disapprove of", ">\n\nI think most people would be okay with killing of a person if they hate him enough.", ">\n\nI ended up living next door to a guy that I ended up finding out was a hitman for a local gang. He was a quiet neighbor we lived in an attached house and never really heard him. Only notable disturbance was when the cops came down the block in armored vehicles and helicopters to arrest him. Turns out he had hand grenades in his fridge. Seemed like a normal guy though not an Agent 47 or James Bond type.", ">\n\nGotta wonder how useful grenades really are for an assassin in today's world. Surely using it in an assassination is a bit too conspicuous.", ">\n\nThey are only cool when they overcome surmountable odds to kill a high value target that probably deserves it.\nNo one thinks it's cool that someone killed Bob across the street while he was mowing his lawn.", ">\n\nWho are we to judge that someone deserve to die or someone deserve to live or not.", ">\n\nWe are not doing any of that. We're onlookers whose opinions do not matter. Usually onlookers watching a movie.\nYou can watch a movie and enjoy blood and gore while being very responsible and meticulous if you were ever summoned as a jury to make an actual decision.", ">\n\nReal life assassins are fine if they kill genuinely, objectively fucked up and evil people. Even fantasy assassins aren’t cool if they just kill good people", ">\n\nEhhh…. There are plenty of fantasy assassins that kill good people and are still very popular and well liked.", ">\n\nDo you have any examples in mind? Because my instinct tells me those beloved evil assassins probably don’t kill any of the beloved good guy main characters; they probably just kill random side characters or characters people don’t care as much about", ">\n\nJaffar from Fire Emblem; murdered Matthew’s love interest Leila, and scored an assist on Eliwood’s father.\nTrue Assassin from Fate/Stay Night (murdered Medea, Medea’s master, was largely responsible for Cu Chulainn’s death)\nCP9 from One Piece (Technically didn’t SUCCEED in killing any major characters but not for lack of trying)\nFrancisco Scaramanga from The Man With the Golden Gun (killed the less annoying of the two Bond girls in that film).\nJust off the top of my head, give me a bit of time and I could probably compile a much longer list (honestly Type/Moon alone could probably give me a dozen examples if I took the time to refresh my memory on the times Assassins have been villains).", ">\n\nHmmm, bet bet. I hardly know any of those so I’ll take your word for it lol\nToo lazy to research rn", ">\n\nMurder isn’t universally despised. We applaud murder every single day. A special OPs team caps a “bad guy” praise all around. A father shoots his daughter’s rapist in the head, no charges and praise in the press. An “honor killing” is carried out by a family and the community nods…", ">\n\nIdk where you live, but in the US if you use a firearm to kill your daughter's rapist you'll still probably end up behind bars, if not while awaiting trial after conviction. \nRelated to why I laugh at \"Tresspasser will be shot\" signs . They sure won't be if the property owner values their freedom (from prison and to continue to own firearms). \nMuder itself is pretty much agreed to be bad, but in general it's agreed that in certain instances it's acceptable to take a life-namely in self defense or on a battlefield. \nOr hunting, if we want to include other animals. Some folks truly believe killing other animals for food is murder.", ">\n\nEach example I provided can be found over and over again if you Google for it. Murder is common and condoned all over the place.", ">\n\nAgain, that entirely depends on how you define murder. It's not universal.", ">\n\nIt very much IS universal and had been with mankind for all time. Counting how many angels can dance the head of a pin by using terms like “manslaughter” or the like is just semantics - you are either destroying a human life or you are not, full stop.", ">\n\nMurder is universally despised, but revenge is more popular than ever. Assassin stories always pick up at the revenge part of their careers and forego the murder details except to show how the world’s “deadliest” assassin walked away from a mission because of children or a love interest or something.", ">\n\nI most people would not hate someone get killed who did they really hate.", ">\n\nIt’s not the fact that they kill is cool, it’s their skills and abilities.", ">\n\nJust going to plead to anybody who thinks murder, assassins or any form of violence is cool: please stop. Even though movies and games tend to cater to us a selection of decapitations on a per hour basis, lets just be humans and not gobble all that up without a thought wasted. Let’s not be cool with violence.\nPeople who witness actual violence as a part of the armed forces or in the form of domestic abuse or in any other setting, very rarely walk out without a lifetimes worth of mental health problems. If anybody thinks that’s cool, they’re such high level megajerks, I cannot fathom it. Violence is shocking, traumatizing and the most serious thing you can come accross in your life. I wish no one should face it or be in such situations ever. And I truly wonder what’s the point in us being desenticised by games and movies to such an extent. \nNext time some callisto protocol bad guy is splitting your player characters head in half, question how you feel. Is it really awesome to see and act like its all just good fun or are you required to dissociate from yourself just to play a game. Dissociation is pretty nasty business and is not helping you with any real life situation going forward. Doing that kind of stuff to play a game or watch a movie, is a bit disconcerting.", ">\n\nThe stuff in video games is so unrealistically gory and violent I don't actually associate real life violence with it.", ">\n\nIf someone kill another person like that then I am going to lose my shit.", ">\n\nYou’re posting this on Martin Luther King day, who was assassinated? No Fonzie, people don’t think assassinations are cool. \nNot only not cool, bad taste as well.", ">\n\nI don't think that is going to be a really popular opinion among the Black folks.", ">\n\nWell, you see, murder is the act of killing a person. However, assassination is the act of killing someone with political power, like those fucking greedy politician pigs.", ">\n\nWell I can't think of one thing being Bad and the other thing being cool I just do not like to discriminate like that.", ">\n\nWell joker is my favorite supervillain but obviously everything he does is wrong, it's just fiction. Another example is John Wick, he's awesome, doesn't mean I think it's ok to kill hundreds of people.", ">\n\nThose are kind of fictional characters and we know that they are not going to kill people in the real lives.", ">\n\nAssassins in fantasy usually have a moral code and tend to take out rich and corrupt people. \nMurders kill for selfish reasons.", ">\n\nI am pretty sure if Assassins existed in the realise than not very many people would support them because people would not like them to kill other people.", ">\n\nassassins get to do drugs before murder…so…they have that goin’ for them.", ">\n\nYeah that might be the reason why people would support them.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised; it’s just called something else when we think it’s cool.\n…could make another shower-thought out of that, actually…", ">\n\nI don't think murder is cool but some people really deserves that penalty.", ">\n\nNo one thinks assassins in real life are cool. Fictional assassins are cool because they're fictional.", ">\n\nExactly that's the point that I am trying to make but people seem to not understand that.", ">\n\nToday you have learned the difference between fictional stories and reality. Nice !", ">\n\nI think that might be something that he should really learn here.", ">\n\nMurder is unjustified killing. Assassination is justified killing (at least to someone).", ">\n\nAh but murder is justified to the murderer. Both involve killing someone, one is just a hired person carrying out the job", ">\n\nI think you are forgetting the fact that most people are not killers.", ">\n\nIDK. If somebody came up to you saying I make a few tens of thousands per hit, I doubt most people would like it.", ">\n\nI am definitely not going to take that offer because that is not a good thing.", ">\n\nSo are pirates, and gangsters, and crusader knights... Murderers are often seen as cool.", ">\n\nPeople already forgot about the ladies who wrote serial Killers in the jail for them to marry it is not a new thing for people to life serial Killers or murderers but not everyone does.", ">\n\nIf it was universally despised it wouldn't exist. Certain groups of people see it as a cost of doing business.", ">\n\nIs it really the cost of doing business because I don't think it works like that.", ">\n\nIf it wasn't assassins wouldn't exist.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you define murder as an act, because there were a lot of killings in history that were generally deemed good by most of the people at that time", ">\n\nI don't think it's any definition because killing any guy is a murder.\nAnd I don't think there is anyway that you are going to justify that does not work like that.", ">\n\nIt's to do with whether people are justified or not. People don't like assassins that just kill anybody. They do like assassins that kill bad people. In the same way, people don't care as much about murder when it's the murder of a bad person. It's all to do whether people feel the death is justified", ">\n\nWhy would anyone justify a person for killing another person that is not good thing.", ">\n\nLiterally watch 90% of films released with murder in them. When the hero in the movie kills the villain, everyone cheers. When a jew kills a nazi that's kept them in the concentration camp, everyone cheers. We as humans think murder is okay as long as what the other person did was wrong enough.", ">\n\nKilling is bad and sex is great so in movies and TV the ratings folks freak out if there's any sex...wait did I read that right?", ">\n\nI don't think killing other person is a good thing and you should not be glorify that.", ">\n\nYeah that's the point, we see deaths all the time in movies and TV shows but remember the Janet Jackson nipple thing freaked people the F out. Our country is weird for considering sex worthy of a more restricted MPAA rating than violence.", ">\n\nIt's a thing with many movies, happily we've come to the point where violence is more directed towards humans and supervillains. War isn't posed as a cool and righteous thing.", ">\n\nPeople are mostly with the violence if it is happening to a person which they do not like.", ">\n\nIn stories and film yeah they’re dope. In real life, most of them are violent and don’t care how they earn money and are sadistic.", ">\n\nPeople are only supporting that because it is in the movies and not in the reality.", ">\n\nSamurai, mafias, yakuza, war, drugs money fame… it’s all cool and provide an escapism to otherwise dull life styles.", ">\n\nI do not think war is cool because it hurts and kills millions of people who haven't done anything wrong.", ">\n\ntbf, people don't like back alley killers. Assassins are hired, trained professionals.", ">\n\nSo just because assassins are hired and they are not killing for the personal reasons as long as they are doing it for the money then it is okay for you that's what you are saying here?", ">\n\nAt what point did I say I personally thought it was OK? Back off and pump the breaks on making an ass out of yourself.\nI was just pointing out that people find professions with a deal of expertise to them more admirable from detached viewpoint than things that require less expertise.\nIt's the same thing between people admiring old school mobsters over modern city gangs or organized militaries over disjointed militia groups.", ">\n\nI guess? When I think of assassains I usually think of people murdering politicians or gangsters tho, which isn't really murder so", ">\n\nAnd murder is okay as long as they are killing people who aren't being loved by us.", ">\n\nNot really, murder of innocent people is despised, kill a despot and you are a hero.\nThere is a ratio of how terrible to how innocent a person is that can be used to mathematically determine if its a despicable murder.\nIf someone started killing billionaires, starting at the top, they would be celebrated.\nIf they kill children, they would be despised.", ">\n\nI don't think it is a good thing to glorify things like murders I will really do not want to make a judge call who should be dead or we should be living that is not up to us man.", ">\n\nBeing assassinated sounds far cooler than being murdered. (What am I saying?!)", ">\n\nYep you are right being Assassin sounds really cool to people.", ">\n\nMurder of the innocent is universally despised. Assassinating an evil person is good. That dude that killed hitler did the world a service, despite otherwise being awful.", ">\n\nI don't think any kind of Murder should be as cool if it is happening in the real life.", ">\n\nSo just to be clear, you'd be against murdering Hitler? Or at least find it uncool? There are a lot of awful people I'd be cool with getting murdered, personally.", ">\n\nMurderers tend to be spontaneous and sloppy. Assassination tends to be planned and clean. People respect the effort...", ">\n\nIt is not about the apert it is about killing the right people by saying right people I am saying that people who are doing really horrible things and making thing lives hard for other people.", ">\n\nWhat the hell are you saying?!?", ">\n\nI mean, if you’re going to do something bad, might as well do it with style.", ">\n\nJust because someone killed another person with style does not make them cool.", ">\n\nReally? Thank the holy lord in heaven I have people like you to keep me right.", ">\n\nThis is just like saying murder is despised yet military men are hero’s.", ">\n\nAnd that is the reason why I have never fully supported military.", ">\n\nLow key same omg", ">\n\n\nMurder is universally despised\n\nNo it's not. Your premise is flawed and your observation demonstrates that, so not sure how you didn't already see this.", ">\n\nProbably because many kill big figures not just random people", ">\n\nAs long as you are killing the big people I think it should be okay.", ">\n\nA mighty warrior will always be celebrated.. murdering for your gov/country is alright, for personal squabbles it’s deemed irreparable.", ">\n\nPeople hate when their stuff is stollen, but we all love pirates", ">\n\nReal-life murder is one of the worst things a person can do.\nFictional murder is cool as fuck.", ">\n\nMurder is not universally despised. It's actually quite loved and respected. People call for the death of others ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. Unjustified murder is universally despised.", ">\n\nThe reality is that it's actually good when you remove a long term threat to most people", ">\n\nReal life and fiction are very different, same reason people love counterstrike but don't love blowing stuff up and killing people", ">\n\nHey, I love blowing stuff up! Although it's all just old junk, and I've never killed anyone, so, there's that", ">\n\nI don't know if I'm going to explain this very well, but there is a stark and disturbing contrast between socially sanctioned aggression and anti-social behaviour.\nWhile obviously assassins aren't exactly 'sanctioned' the cool trope pretty much frames a narrative in a way which it is - in general we're much more disturbed by a random acts of violence spurred by dysfunction/substance/mental health etc.", ">\n\nYou know, I can’t argue with that. Anyways imma go play assassins creed (I don’t play that", ">\n\nBecause almost all depictions of assassins make pains to at least partially justify the kills they perform, e.g. killing an even worse criminal.\nMurder is despised but there's a great deal of killing that some won't call murder, hence the 'pro-life' US politicians with policy platforms emphasizing the execution of prisoners.", ">\n\nIn movies, not in real life. As I get older I don't like them in movies either.", ">\n\nI'll bite.\nYes, murder is universally despised, except when it isn't.\nYou can ask any American if they think the locating, hunting and assassination of Osama Bin Laden in his Home was a despicable act and it'll be like punching Nascar in the nuts in North Carolina.\nAssassination is suddenly fine when the target is the bad guy. It's why the US has been able to convince its people it's ok to be at war for 228 out of its 246 year history.\nJason Borne was a CIA black ops agent, or a 'morally bad guy' for most people because he kills based on what's written on a file. When he turns against the agency and starts taking out the people who made him kill, he's 'cool'.\nJames Bond kills security threats who are very clearly defined as bad guys. They're shown to very obviously and ruthlessly commit crimes that make it that much more satisfying for Bond to finally take down. Add the money, gadgets, smarts and charm and of course, Bond is very cool. \nThe Assassin's Creed line of games take famous events in history and relive them through the eyes of an inserted assassin who takes them down in the games imagined version of past events. Like the Bond example, the villains are shown to do very evil things. Controlling the assassin, dispatching hoardes of enemies, stealthing and climbing their way to their target for a glorious kill is very cool.\nJohn Wilkes Booth, on the other hand, while still an assassin, is deemed cowardly and uncool for his assassination of Lincoln. We all agree on this because Lincoln was a beloved national figure and wasn't evil. His assassination wasn't justified. Booth wasn't cool.", ">\n\nJust like spies, movie spies are suave and have amazing skills and charm. In real life most spies are Tom from accounting, that guy that everybody likes as a coworker but not enough to hang out with.\n(Source, have been through an espionage course)", ">\n\nI think murder of the appropriate people is pretty widely accepted. Remember that guy who shot his kids rapist in the head on live TV and didn't even get jail time? Nobody on earth thought that was the wrong call.", ">\n\nWhenever I watch one of those “good guy kills infinite number of bad guys” movies, I always think about the red shirt bad guys going through all of childhood, going to their high school prom, getting their first car/job, graduating college, etc. just to get killed in the most callous “you never mattered” way ever.", ">\n\nWell its honestly more about a well trained professional with high work ethics and discipline is cool, as I'd still consider a government assassin that knows 50 different ways to kill you without leaving a trace is cool if that guy actually exist while a cartel hitman that kill for drug money is pretty lame as a concept, really got nothing to do with murder being a crime or not.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t say I find them cool, but think about how people who are calculated and skilled enough to (generally) get away with murder without anyone finding out it was them is pretty surprising. Especially when you consider just how much evidence get left from the littlest action.", ">\n\nPirates too. They were a despicable scourge of their time, but now they are funny or misunderstood good guys. Then the mafia became super cool despite the ruthless methods they used to maintain control of their territory. Now gangbangers are making the transition. \nIt seems to be a thing where we idolize the bad guys and highlight some obscure trait they may or may not have embodied. Robin hood giving to the poor, mafia taking care of their family and never targeting women or children, gangsters feeding the hungry in their community and protecting the vulnerable. In reality, most of them were selfish assholes just out to take care of themselves and did anything it took to get what they felt they deserved. Any generosity was calculated to benefit themselves in some way.", ">\n\nWhat is even more curious is how \"thank you for your service\" basically means \"thank you for being in a position where you can kill people for us\".", ">\n\nPirates and Vikings are also cool, but they rob and kill people. Who knows why?", ">\n\nI would argue that the word 'murder' itself implies it's a crime by definition, but killing people is considered acceptable in a number of societies. The death penalty, assisted suicide, euthanasia, the army killing people in combat, the police shooting someone to protect an innocent life, human sacrifice. So, although all societies have considered murder to be morally wrong, killing someone is considered acceptable in a number of circumstances depending on the culture.", ">\n\nAssassins are only cool if they do random gymnastics or if they can change their clothes in 2 seconds or less.", ">\n\nResponse: People love seeing a professional adept at their craft", ">\n\n\"Im not a crazed gunman Dad, Im an assassin..... well the difference being ones a job and the other is mental sickness!\" - The Sniper", ">\n\nMurder is cool when the awesome fictional character commits the act", ">\n\nAssassins are cool if they're killing for the \"right\" reasons. Killing an abuser? Awesome! You get kudos (and a giant tip). Killing someone's brother so they don't have to split inheritance? Not so awesome.", ">\n\nWell yeah, because in the movies assassins are usually depicted as killing universally hated people- the Russians in John Wick who have almost no redeeming qualities, for example. In real life murder would probably be more OK if it happened to bad people- if J.H. Blair had died during the Harlan Coal Wars, for example, instead of innocent miners, or if Lee Atwater or Ku Klux Klan members had been killed by FBI's COINTELPRO instead of MLK, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X", ">\n\nProstitutes are viewed upon with shame, but nearly everyone loves the idea of having sex.", ">\n\nThe thing about assasins, a decent amount of the time, they're hired to kill someone that's a bad person, versus someone that literally kills out of cold blood, I understand why assasins are deemed as \"cool\"", ">\n\nIt's all a matter of style. \n“If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. Style. That's what people remember.”\n― Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies", ">\n\nIt’s because of assassins creed. And that’s the reason I think they are cool", ">\n\nWhere are you from that murder is universally despised? In my country and until recently, townspeople would gather to watch people get hung from trees for entertainment. Now we enjoy watching TV and listing to podcasts about people getting murdered. So...yeah, murder is not universally despised here. We like murder and assassins (we just don't like the idea of our OWN murder).", ">\n\n*humanly despised \nI assure you my dog was completely fine with murder of a neighbors cat\nWhat's that have to do with assassins you say?\nI don't know", ">\n\nBecause in popular culture they are usually highly trained experts leading mysterious lives and killing people who are super evil. \nThey're not just random jerks on the street who stab someone for $50.", ">\n\nBecause in fiction assassins take out mob boss scum bags in over the top action sequences when In reality hit men just blow a whole through some jo shmos head for an insurance scam.", ">\n\nWell, most of the assassins we “know” are fictional characters, often with great style and personality or even great techniques or just cool costumes. But you can watch Barry. It’s a tv show. It’s an interesting take on assassins.", ">\n\nUniversally despised? It seems rather popular and trending to me. It’s one of humanity’s favorite past times", ">\n\nThe thing about assassins is they are usually killing people that are playing dangerous and devious games, which leads to there death. So more often then not these people that are being assassinated deserve to die.", ">\n\nAssassins are almost always portrayed as righteous vigilantes, spies for governments working for a common good, or getting personal vengeance for extreme evil. If people associated them with images of whacking husbands and wives for wealth, revenge for snitching, etc etc then they'd probably get shit on. I don't think people really consider that assassins do actually exist.", ">\n\nHow many real life assassins are you aware of? Lol. You’re thinking of like John Wick who is not a real person and kills bad guys.", ">\n\nIf you’re a paid professional, we’ll then, that’s a different story!", ">\n\nI think that might be the reason because it is kind of fictional thing?", ">\n\nAssassins often kill powerful people of interest who are causing widespread social/political/economic unrest. It’s a case of “The ends justify the means”\nMurder is often associated with very selfish motives or no motives at all and thus are a simple waste of life. \nKilling is in no way moral, but if you take two points in time and see a drastic improvement between them, it’s often easy to ignore the actions taken in between to make that improvement take place.", ">\n\nBaby showers are gifts for mothers and babies And the first thing that a baby and a mother need after birth is an actual shower.", ">\n\nIn the same way so many people deem automatic machine guns and rocket launchers as 'cool'.", ">\n\nI think there is something really wrong with those people who support something like that." ]

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[ "............................................................................ subtle. Really subtle." ]

[ "............................................................................ subtle. Really subtle.", ">\n\nThat is genuinely frightening." ]

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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nYou also can’t be sober without people assuming you’re just following the “dry January” herd." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nYou also can’t be sober without people assuming you’re just following the “dry January” herd.", ">\n\nMuslim here: I beg to differ. :P" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nYou also can’t be sober without people assuming you’re just following the “dry January” herd.", ">\n\nMuslim here: I beg to differ. :P", ">\n\noooop you got me. i guess pregnant would work against this too :|" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nYou also can’t be sober without people assuming you’re just following the “dry January” herd.", ">\n\nMuslim here: I beg to differ. :P", ">\n\noooop you got me. i guess pregnant would work against this too :|", ">\n\nWhich should not affect me in any way or form, BUT IT DOES! I DON'T KNOW HOW! I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT IT! BUT IT AFFECTS ME TREMENDOUSLY! FUUUUUUUUCK!" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nYou also can’t be sober without people assuming you’re just following the “dry January” herd.", ">\n\nMuslim here: I beg to differ. :P", ">\n\noooop you got me. i guess pregnant would work against this too :|", ">\n\nWhich should not affect me in any way or form, BUT IT DOES! I DON'T KNOW HOW! I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT IT! BUT IT AFFECTS ME TREMENDOUSLY! FUUUUUUUUCK!", ">\n\nI was planning on starting a diet and specifically waited until after New Year’s so it didn’t get attached emotionally to a resolution" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nYou also can’t be sober without people assuming you’re just following the “dry January” herd.", ">\n\nMuslim here: I beg to differ. :P", ">\n\noooop you got me. i guess pregnant would work against this too :|", ">\n\nWhich should not affect me in any way or form, BUT IT DOES! I DON'T KNOW HOW! I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT IT! BUT IT AFFECTS ME TREMENDOUSLY! FUUUUUUUUCK!", ">\n\nI was planning on starting a diet and specifically waited until after New Year’s so it didn’t get attached emotionally to a resolution", ">\n\nI've been going to the gym for months, but I'm still quite fat. And seeing all these new faces in January giving me the at-least-we're-in-this-together look kinda irks me if I'm honest. \nI was here before you started, and I will be here after you've given up. We are not the same." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nYou also can’t be sober without people assuming you’re just following the “dry January” herd.", ">\n\nMuslim here: I beg to differ. :P", ">\n\noooop you got me. i guess pregnant would work against this too :|", ">\n\nWhich should not affect me in any way or form, BUT IT DOES! I DON'T KNOW HOW! I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT IT! BUT IT AFFECTS ME TREMENDOUSLY! FUUUUUUUUCK!", ">\n\nI was planning on starting a diet and specifically waited until after New Year’s so it didn’t get attached emotionally to a resolution", ">\n\nI've been going to the gym for months, but I'm still quite fat. And seeing all these new faces in January giving me the at-least-we're-in-this-together look kinda irks me if I'm honest. \nI was here before you started, and I will be here after you've given up. We are not the same.", ">\n\nRemember that you didn't want people to judge you when you were starting out, and try to treat those who are starting now with the same compassion" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nYou also can’t be sober without people assuming you’re just following the “dry January” herd.", ">\n\nMuslim here: I beg to differ. :P", ">\n\noooop you got me. i guess pregnant would work against this too :|", ">\n\nWhich should not affect me in any way or form, BUT IT DOES! I DON'T KNOW HOW! I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT IT! BUT IT AFFECTS ME TREMENDOUSLY! FUUUUUUUUCK!", ">\n\nI was planning on starting a diet and specifically waited until after New Year’s so it didn’t get attached emotionally to a resolution", ">\n\nI've been going to the gym for months, but I'm still quite fat. And seeing all these new faces in January giving me the at-least-we're-in-this-together look kinda irks me if I'm honest. \nI was here before you started, and I will be here after you've given up. We are not the same.", ">\n\nRemember that you didn't want people to judge you when you were starting out, and try to treat those who are starting now with the same compassion", ">\n\nOnly legit judgement is about people who don’t go deep in a squat mmmmhm." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nYou also can’t be sober without people assuming you’re just following the “dry January” herd.", ">\n\nMuslim here: I beg to differ. :P", ">\n\noooop you got me. i guess pregnant would work against this too :|", ">\n\nWhich should not affect me in any way or form, BUT IT DOES! I DON'T KNOW HOW! I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT IT! BUT IT AFFECTS ME TREMENDOUSLY! FUUUUUUUUCK!", ">\n\nI was planning on starting a diet and specifically waited until after New Year’s so it didn’t get attached emotionally to a resolution", ">\n\nI've been going to the gym for months, but I'm still quite fat. And seeing all these new faces in January giving me the at-least-we're-in-this-together look kinda irks me if I'm honest. \nI was here before you started, and I will be here after you've given up. We are not the same.", ">\n\nRemember that you didn't want people to judge you when you were starting out, and try to treat those who are starting now with the same compassion", ">\n\nOnly legit judgement is about people who don’t go deep in a squat mmmmhm.", ">\n\nI had abdominal surgery in November. I'm now feeling healed enough to start exercising and get my new body moving right but it's so frustrating that everyone thinks it's a resolution!" ]

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[ "I'm something of a scientist myself" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo...." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy.", ">\n\n2 things republicans have no interest in. Not surprising he's placed there" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy.", ">\n\n2 things republicans have no interest in. Not surprising he's placed there", ">\n\nWhat does GOP teach your children? Lies bring you rewards!" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy.", ">\n\n2 things republicans have no interest in. Not surprising he's placed there", ">\n\nWhat does GOP teach your children? Lies bring you rewards!", ">\n\nWhy even appoint him to any? Did no other Republican care about small business or science?" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy.", ">\n\n2 things republicans have no interest in. Not surprising he's placed there", ">\n\nWhat does GOP teach your children? Lies bring you rewards!", ">\n\nWhy even appoint him to any? Did no other Republican care about small business or science?", ">\n\nNo, they are republicans." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy.", ">\n\n2 things republicans have no interest in. Not surprising he's placed there", ">\n\nWhat does GOP teach your children? Lies bring you rewards!", ">\n\nWhy even appoint him to any? Did no other Republican care about small business or science?", ">\n\nNo, they are republicans.", ">\n\nWhy would any scientists bother to engage with them. People in the scientific fields should just refuse any attempts to discuss anything until they pick their fucking game up." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy.", ">\n\n2 things republicans have no interest in. Not surprising he's placed there", ">\n\nWhat does GOP teach your children? Lies bring you rewards!", ">\n\nWhy even appoint him to any? Did no other Republican care about small business or science?", ">\n\nNo, they are republicans.", ">\n\nWhy would any scientists bother to engage with them. People in the scientific fields should just refuse any attempts to discuss anything until they pick their fucking game up.", ">\n\nNo Democrat should agree to serve on either of those committees. Disgusting." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy.", ">\n\n2 things republicans have no interest in. Not surprising he's placed there", ">\n\nWhat does GOP teach your children? Lies bring you rewards!", ">\n\nWhy even appoint him to any? Did no other Republican care about small business or science?", ">\n\nNo, they are republicans.", ">\n\nWhy would any scientists bother to engage with them. People in the scientific fields should just refuse any attempts to discuss anything until they pick their fucking game up.", ">\n\nNo Democrat should agree to serve on either of those committees. Disgusting.", ">\n\nDo freshmen congressmembers usually get put on more than one committee?" ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy.", ">\n\n2 things republicans have no interest in. Not surprising he's placed there", ">\n\nWhat does GOP teach your children? Lies bring you rewards!", ">\n\nWhy even appoint him to any? Did no other Republican care about small business or science?", ">\n\nNo, they are republicans.", ">\n\nWhy would any scientists bother to engage with them. People in the scientific fields should just refuse any attempts to discuss anything until they pick their fucking game up.", ">\n\nNo Democrat should agree to serve on either of those committees. Disgusting.", ">\n\nDo freshmen congressmembers usually get put on more than one committee?", ">\n\nWell, he is highly qualified. He founded Amazon in a garage, and then went on to win the noble price for physics." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy.", ">\n\n2 things republicans have no interest in. Not surprising he's placed there", ">\n\nWhat does GOP teach your children? Lies bring you rewards!", ">\n\nWhy even appoint him to any? Did no other Republican care about small business or science?", ">\n\nNo, they are republicans.", ">\n\nWhy would any scientists bother to engage with them. People in the scientific fields should just refuse any attempts to discuss anything until they pick their fucking game up.", ">\n\nNo Democrat should agree to serve on either of those committees. Disgusting.", ">\n\nDo freshmen congressmembers usually get put on more than one committee?", ">\n\nWell, he is highly qualified. He founded Amazon in a garage, and then went on to win the noble price for physics.", ">\n\n“You have an MBA?! Quick: who are your five favorite business execs?!”\nAin’t no way." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy.", ">\n\n2 things republicans have no interest in. Not surprising he's placed there", ">\n\nWhat does GOP teach your children? Lies bring you rewards!", ">\n\nWhy even appoint him to any? Did no other Republican care about small business or science?", ">\n\nNo, they are republicans.", ">\n\nWhy would any scientists bother to engage with them. People in the scientific fields should just refuse any attempts to discuss anything until they pick their fucking game up.", ">\n\nNo Democrat should agree to serve on either of those committees. Disgusting.", ">\n\nDo freshmen congressmembers usually get put on more than one committee?", ">\n\nWell, he is highly qualified. He founded Amazon in a garage, and then went on to win the noble price for physics.", ">\n\n“You have an MBA?! Quick: who are your five favorite business execs?!”\nAin’t no way.", ">\n\nMakes sense. His PhD defense in small businessology was so compelling it won an Emmy, a Grammy, an Oscar, and a Tony. It also won four categories of Nobel Prize." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy.", ">\n\n2 things republicans have no interest in. Not surprising he's placed there", ">\n\nWhat does GOP teach your children? Lies bring you rewards!", ">\n\nWhy even appoint him to any? Did no other Republican care about small business or science?", ">\n\nNo, they are republicans.", ">\n\nWhy would any scientists bother to engage with them. People in the scientific fields should just refuse any attempts to discuss anything until they pick their fucking game up.", ">\n\nNo Democrat should agree to serve on either of those committees. Disgusting.", ">\n\nDo freshmen congressmembers usually get put on more than one committee?", ">\n\nWell, he is highly qualified. He founded Amazon in a garage, and then went on to win the noble price for physics.", ">\n\n“You have an MBA?! Quick: who are your five favorite business execs?!”\nAin’t no way.", ">\n\nMakes sense. His PhD defense in small businessology was so compelling it won an Emmy, a Grammy, an Oscar, and a Tony. It also won four categories of Nobel Prize.", ">\n\nThat’s funny he said he was on ten committees." ]

[ "I'm something of a scientist myself", ">\n\nScientist-ish sir", ">\n\nWell. We all knew this House of Representatives was going to be a joke. Now we know McCarthy is the butt of that joke.", ">\n\nButt hole of the joke", ">\n\nThe eye of the butt.", ">\n\nPlease no winking in public, McCarthy.", ">\n\nRepublicans have no shame.", ">\n\nNo shame-ish", ">\n\nBusiness and Science \nThe exact two things no one should trust George Santos on", ">\n\nIdk, wasn’t he the guy who started IBM out of his parents’ garage, and came up with the theory of relativity?", ">\n\nI thought it was Google and the 2nd law of gravity but it could be both given how prolific he is", ">\n\nHis resume includes many other house committees", ">\n\nConsidering George Santos has an MBA from Harvard Business School and a Nobel Prize for discovering Black Holes, it's obvious he is seriously overqualified", ">\n\nWell, Santos did discover nuclear fission, and is the father of cold fusion, soooo....", ">\n\nGood to see he’s putting his MBA and Nobel Prize in Physics to good use.", ">\n\nThese are good committees, he was chair of the science committee last year", ">\n\nSmall business advice - Fake it till you make it!\nScience advice - Don't bother with the science, just take the money and publish the results that are beneficial to your funders", ">\n\nSmall Business loans to Russia? /s", ">\n\nWhat the actual fuck.", ">\n\nThat's not George Santos, that's Anthony Devolder", ">\n\nThey asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.", ">\n\nImagine George Santos telling you \"I'm on the House Science Committee.\"\nYeah fucking right.\nBut in fact, it's a rare moment of George Santos telling the truth.\nWe live in bizarro world.", ">\n\nMcCarthy is an empty suit beholden to the insurrection caucus and all the liars grifters within his party. Just really sad for the country.", ">\n\nI think the takeaway is how much the Republicans respect Small Business and Science portfolios.\nThey even have small business on their side and they're literally telling them they hate them and it's unimportant.", ">\n\nI couldn't agree more. As someone who works in science, it definitely feels like the slap in the face you describe. You connected those dots for me. Thanks, I hate it 😅", ">\n\nHow ironic - they toss him onto a science committee, science, devoted to discovering the truth to better understand who and what we and our world are. \nIt's almost as if Republicans don't care about the truth or something.", ">\n\nIt’s a shame George is depriving us of his mastery of quantum physics and superior dog training skills", ">\n\nBrilliant stuff, putting the lying crook on the science committee. I wouldn’t expect any better from the (Anti-)Republican party, but it’s still mind-boggling nonetheless that they’re willing to overlook all the shady things this guy has done just to get a solid party-line vote for terrorizing LGBTQ people and the poor.", ">\n\nThe only seat he should be getting is a prison cell.", ">\n\nHow trashy can they make America in 2 years? Very. Very trashy.", ">\n\n2 things republicans have no interest in. Not surprising he's placed there", ">\n\nWhat does GOP teach your children? Lies bring you rewards!", ">\n\nWhy even appoint him to any? Did no other Republican care about small business or science?", ">\n\nNo, they are republicans.", ">\n\nWhy would any scientists bother to engage with them. People in the scientific fields should just refuse any attempts to discuss anything until they pick their fucking game up.", ">\n\nNo Democrat should agree to serve on either of those committees. Disgusting.", ">\n\nDo freshmen congressmembers usually get put on more than one committee?", ">\n\nWell, he is highly qualified. He founded Amazon in a garage, and then went on to win the noble price for physics.", ">\n\n“You have an MBA?! Quick: who are your five favorite business execs?!”\nAin’t no way.", ">\n\nMakes sense. His PhD defense in small businessology was so compelling it won an Emmy, a Grammy, an Oscar, and a Tony. It also won four categories of Nobel Prize.", ">\n\nThat’s funny he said he was on ten committees.", ">\n\nWhat the fuck...I served for 5 years. It makes feel physically ill that this guy is in Congress. Is it all a huge Psy op to make us lose faith in the system? Campaign finance ties to Russian oligarchy money. How is there no safe guard against this kind of thing? Isn't this defrauding the United States of America? How is this not a felony? I just want to be in a room with this guy. I'm not trying to vent some rage fantasy but this guy makes me angry in a way I'm not okay with. I want him gone." ]

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[ "I would pay per view this one for sure." ]

[ "I would pay per view this one for sure.", ">\n\nI'm sure there will be a pornhub version soon, if not already." ]

[ "I would pay per view this one for sure.", ">\n\nI'm sure there will be a pornhub version soon, if not already.", ">\n\nPretty sure beastiality is illegal." ]

[ "I would pay per view this one for sure.", ">\n\nI'm sure there will be a pornhub version soon, if not already.", ">\n\nPretty sure beastiality is illegal.", ">\n\nNot in Hawai'i, New Mexico, West Virginia or Wyoming!" ]

[ "I would pay per view this one for sure.", ">\n\nI'm sure there will be a pornhub version soon, if not already.", ">\n\nPretty sure beastiality is illegal.", ">\n\nNot in Hawai'i, New Mexico, West Virginia or Wyoming!", ">\n\nThis timeline\n\nWhile Greene and Boebert’s feud has now become fully public, no one was apparently willing to talk about the bathroom incident on the record — including Rep. Debbie Dingell, a Michigan Democrat.\n“What happens in the ladies room stays in the ladies room,” Dingell told The Daily Beast." ]

[ "I would pay per view this one for sure.", ">\n\nI'm sure there will be a pornhub version soon, if not already.", ">\n\nPretty sure beastiality is illegal.", ">\n\nNot in Hawai'i, New Mexico, West Virginia or Wyoming!", ">\n\nThis timeline\n\nWhile Greene and Boebert’s feud has now become fully public, no one was apparently willing to talk about the bathroom incident on the record — including Rep. Debbie Dingell, a Michigan Democrat.\n“What happens in the ladies room stays in the ladies room,” Dingell told The Daily Beast.", ">\n\nTurds belong in the bathroom." ]

[ "I would pay per view this one for sure.", ">\n\nI'm sure there will be a pornhub version soon, if not already.", ">\n\nPretty sure beastiality is illegal.", ">\n\nNot in Hawai'i, New Mexico, West Virginia or Wyoming!", ">\n\nThis timeline\n\nWhile Greene and Boebert’s feud has now become fully public, no one was apparently willing to talk about the bathroom incident on the record — including Rep. Debbie Dingell, a Michigan Democrat.\n“What happens in the ladies room stays in the ladies room,” Dingell told The Daily Beast.", ">\n\nTurds belong in the bathroom.", ">\n\nSaying “Don’t be ugly” to MTG is like saying “Don’t fuck kids” to Matt Gaetz." ]

[ "I would pay per view this one for sure.", ">\n\nI'm sure there will be a pornhub version soon, if not already.", ">\n\nPretty sure beastiality is illegal.", ">\n\nNot in Hawai'i, New Mexico, West Virginia or Wyoming!", ">\n\nThis timeline\n\nWhile Greene and Boebert’s feud has now become fully public, no one was apparently willing to talk about the bathroom incident on the record — including Rep. Debbie Dingell, a Michigan Democrat.\n“What happens in the ladies room stays in the ladies room,” Dingell told The Daily Beast.", ">\n\nTurds belong in the bathroom.", ">\n\nSaying “Don’t be ugly” to MTG is like saying “Don’t fuck kids” to Matt Gaetz.", ">\n\nOr \"don't felate Trump\" to the entire GoP." ]

[ "I would pay per view this one for sure.", ">\n\nI'm sure there will be a pornhub version soon, if not already.", ">\n\nPretty sure beastiality is illegal.", ">\n\nNot in Hawai'i, New Mexico, West Virginia or Wyoming!", ">\n\nThis timeline\n\nWhile Greene and Boebert’s feud has now become fully public, no one was apparently willing to talk about the bathroom incident on the record — including Rep. Debbie Dingell, a Michigan Democrat.\n“What happens in the ladies room stays in the ladies room,” Dingell told The Daily Beast.", ">\n\nTurds belong in the bathroom.", ">\n\nSaying “Don’t be ugly” to MTG is like saying “Don’t fuck kids” to Matt Gaetz.", ">\n\nOr \"don't felate Trump\" to the entire GoP.", ">\n\nTed Cruz just entered the room." ]

[ "I would pay per view this one for sure.", ">\n\nI'm sure there will be a pornhub version soon, if not already.", ">\n\nPretty sure beastiality is illegal.", ">\n\nNot in Hawai'i, New Mexico, West Virginia or Wyoming!", ">\n\nThis timeline\n\nWhile Greene and Boebert’s feud has now become fully public, no one was apparently willing to talk about the bathroom incident on the record — including Rep. Debbie Dingell, a Michigan Democrat.\n“What happens in the ladies room stays in the ladies room,” Dingell told The Daily Beast.", ">\n\nTurds belong in the bathroom.", ">\n\nSaying “Don’t be ugly” to MTG is like saying “Don’t fuck kids” to Matt Gaetz.", ">\n\nOr \"don't felate Trump\" to the entire GoP.", ">\n\nTed Cruz just entered the room.", ">\n\nTed Cruz just came into the room. Pun intended." ]

[ "I would pay per view this one for sure.", ">\n\nI'm sure there will be a pornhub version soon, if not already.", ">\n\nPretty sure beastiality is illegal.", ">\n\nNot in Hawai'i, New Mexico, West Virginia or Wyoming!", ">\n\nThis timeline\n\nWhile Greene and Boebert’s feud has now become fully public, no one was apparently willing to talk about the bathroom incident on the record — including Rep. Debbie Dingell, a Michigan Democrat.\n“What happens in the ladies room stays in the ladies room,” Dingell told The Daily Beast.", ">\n\nTurds belong in the bathroom.", ">\n\nSaying “Don’t be ugly” to MTG is like saying “Don’t fuck kids” to Matt Gaetz.", ">\n\nOr \"don't felate Trump\" to the entire GoP.", ">\n\nTed Cruz just entered the room.", ">\n\nTed Cruz just came into the room. Pun intended.", ">\n\nPhysically or metaphorically?" ]

[ "I would pay per view this one for sure.", ">\n\nI'm sure there will be a pornhub version soon, if not already.", ">\n\nPretty sure beastiality is illegal.", ">\n\nNot in Hawai'i, New Mexico, West Virginia or Wyoming!", ">\n\nThis timeline\n\nWhile Greene and Boebert’s feud has now become fully public, no one was apparently willing to talk about the bathroom incident on the record — including Rep. Debbie Dingell, a Michigan Democrat.\n“What happens in the ladies room stays in the ladies room,” Dingell told The Daily Beast.", ">\n\nTurds belong in the bathroom.", ">\n\nSaying “Don’t be ugly” to MTG is like saying “Don’t fuck kids” to Matt Gaetz.", ">\n\nOr \"don't felate Trump\" to the entire GoP.", ">\n\nTed Cruz just entered the room.", ">\n\nTed Cruz just came into the room. Pun intended.", ">\n\nPhysically or metaphorically?", ">\n\nI don't know what's worse." ]