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[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\"." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months..." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\"." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so..." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works..." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?", ">\n\nThis is the parent's/guardian's job, not government's." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?", ">\n\nThis is the parent's/guardian's job, not government's.", ">\n\nEveryone doing everything they can to avoid putting the liability on the people who own the children. If you choose to have children, you choose to own something that can't consent themselves therefore, as a parent, you are automatically consenting to face the liabilities of the consequences of your property. Put the onus on the parents. Those of us who choose not to have kids shouldn't be burdened by the idiots who do." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?", ">\n\nThis is the parent's/guardian's job, not government's.", ">\n\nEveryone doing everything they can to avoid putting the liability on the people who own the children. If you choose to have children, you choose to own something that can't consent themselves therefore, as a parent, you are automatically consenting to face the liabilities of the consequences of your property. Put the onus on the parents. Those of us who choose not to have kids shouldn't be burdened by the idiots who do.", ">\n\nGlad to hear France has solved all its more important problems." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?", ">\n\nThis is the parent's/guardian's job, not government's.", ">\n\nEveryone doing everything they can to avoid putting the liability on the people who own the children. If you choose to have children, you choose to own something that can't consent themselves therefore, as a parent, you are automatically consenting to face the liabilities of the consequences of your property. Put the onus on the parents. Those of us who choose not to have kids shouldn't be burdened by the idiots who do.", ">\n\nGlad to hear France has solved all its more important problems.", ">\n\nNext French government will have to ban VPNs because that’s what it takes at the minimum to even resemble enforcing this. I can tell them in advance from a country that tried it doesn’t work." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?", ">\n\nThis is the parent's/guardian's job, not government's.", ">\n\nEveryone doing everything they can to avoid putting the liability on the people who own the children. If you choose to have children, you choose to own something that can't consent themselves therefore, as a parent, you are automatically consenting to face the liabilities of the consequences of your property. Put the onus on the parents. Those of us who choose not to have kids shouldn't be burdened by the idiots who do.", ">\n\nGlad to hear France has solved all its more important problems.", ">\n\nNext French government will have to ban VPNs because that’s what it takes at the minimum to even resemble enforcing this. I can tell them in advance from a country that tried it doesn’t work.", ">\n\nEasily undermined and subverted with a VPN." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?", ">\n\nThis is the parent's/guardian's job, not government's.", ">\n\nEveryone doing everything they can to avoid putting the liability on the people who own the children. If you choose to have children, you choose to own something that can't consent themselves therefore, as a parent, you are automatically consenting to face the liabilities of the consequences of your property. Put the onus on the parents. Those of us who choose not to have kids shouldn't be burdened by the idiots who do.", ">\n\nGlad to hear France has solved all its more important problems.", ">\n\nNext French government will have to ban VPNs because that’s what it takes at the minimum to even resemble enforcing this. I can tell them in advance from a country that tried it doesn’t work.", ">\n\nEasily undermined and subverted with a VPN.", ">\n\nHow are so many politicians the world over soo clueless when it comes to the internet?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?", ">\n\nThis is the parent's/guardian's job, not government's.", ">\n\nEveryone doing everything they can to avoid putting the liability on the people who own the children. If you choose to have children, you choose to own something that can't consent themselves therefore, as a parent, you are automatically consenting to face the liabilities of the consequences of your property. Put the onus on the parents. Those of us who choose not to have kids shouldn't be burdened by the idiots who do.", ">\n\nGlad to hear France has solved all its more important problems.", ">\n\nNext French government will have to ban VPNs because that’s what it takes at the minimum to even resemble enforcing this. I can tell them in advance from a country that tried it doesn’t work.", ">\n\nEasily undermined and subverted with a VPN.", ">\n\nHow are so many politicians the world over soo clueless when it comes to the internet?", ">\n\nSo when's the protest for this?" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?", ">\n\nThis is the parent's/guardian's job, not government's.", ">\n\nEveryone doing everything they can to avoid putting the liability on the people who own the children. If you choose to have children, you choose to own something that can't consent themselves therefore, as a parent, you are automatically consenting to face the liabilities of the consequences of your property. Put the onus on the parents. Those of us who choose not to have kids shouldn't be burdened by the idiots who do.", ">\n\nGlad to hear France has solved all its more important problems.", ">\n\nNext French government will have to ban VPNs because that’s what it takes at the minimum to even resemble enforcing this. I can tell them in advance from a country that tried it doesn’t work.", ">\n\nEasily undermined and subverted with a VPN.", ">\n\nHow are so many politicians the world over soo clueless when it comes to the internet?", ">\n\nSo when's the protest for this?", ">\n\nBut how are they getting in!? There is a button asking if they're 18! It's fool proof!" ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?", ">\n\nThis is the parent's/guardian's job, not government's.", ">\n\nEveryone doing everything they can to avoid putting the liability on the people who own the children. If you choose to have children, you choose to own something that can't consent themselves therefore, as a parent, you are automatically consenting to face the liabilities of the consequences of your property. Put the onus on the parents. Those of us who choose not to have kids shouldn't be burdened by the idiots who do.", ">\n\nGlad to hear France has solved all its more important problems.", ">\n\nNext French government will have to ban VPNs because that’s what it takes at the minimum to even resemble enforcing this. I can tell them in advance from a country that tried it doesn’t work.", ">\n\nEasily undermined and subverted with a VPN.", ">\n\nHow are so many politicians the world over soo clueless when it comes to the internet?", ">\n\nSo when's the protest for this?", ">\n\nBut how are they getting in!? There is a button asking if they're 18! It's fool proof!", ">\n\nI’m not disagreeing but it’s a slippery slope." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?", ">\n\nThis is the parent's/guardian's job, not government's.", ">\n\nEveryone doing everything they can to avoid putting the liability on the people who own the children. If you choose to have children, you choose to own something that can't consent themselves therefore, as a parent, you are automatically consenting to face the liabilities of the consequences of your property. Put the onus on the parents. Those of us who choose not to have kids shouldn't be burdened by the idiots who do.", ">\n\nGlad to hear France has solved all its more important problems.", ">\n\nNext French government will have to ban VPNs because that’s what it takes at the minimum to even resemble enforcing this. I can tell them in advance from a country that tried it doesn’t work.", ">\n\nEasily undermined and subverted with a VPN.", ">\n\nHow are so many politicians the world over soo clueless when it comes to the internet?", ">\n\nSo when's the protest for this?", ">\n\nBut how are they getting in!? There is a button asking if they're 18! It's fool proof!", ">\n\nI’m not disagreeing but it’s a slippery slope.", ">\n\nMinors are already blocked from accessing porn, I don't know any porn site without an \"are you 18+?\" popup. This sort of shit is pointless." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?", ">\n\nThis is the parent's/guardian's job, not government's.", ">\n\nEveryone doing everything they can to avoid putting the liability on the people who own the children. If you choose to have children, you choose to own something that can't consent themselves therefore, as a parent, you are automatically consenting to face the liabilities of the consequences of your property. Put the onus on the parents. Those of us who choose not to have kids shouldn't be burdened by the idiots who do.", ">\n\nGlad to hear France has solved all its more important problems.", ">\n\nNext French government will have to ban VPNs because that’s what it takes at the minimum to even resemble enforcing this. I can tell them in advance from a country that tried it doesn’t work.", ">\n\nEasily undermined and subverted with a VPN.", ">\n\nHow are so many politicians the world over soo clueless when it comes to the internet?", ">\n\nSo when's the protest for this?", ">\n\nBut how are they getting in!? There is a button asking if they're 18! It's fool proof!", ">\n\nI’m not disagreeing but it’s a slippery slope.", ">\n\nMinors are already blocked from accessing porn, I don't know any porn site without an \"are you 18+?\" popup. This sort of shit is pointless.", ">\n\nPft, good luck. It's been tried hundreds of times, but where there's a box of tissues there's a way." ]

[ "Ah yes alotof people born in 1904 January 26th is suddenly going to come out of the blue", ">\n\nEh, too far to scroll. I now just set 1 Jan 2000", ">\n\n\n2000\n\nOkay, now I'm uncomfortable with my age.", ">\n\nI was in a liquor store a few months ago… the cashier asked for my ID and exclaimed “oh, 19, you’re good.” I was like “huh?” She goes “born in 19-anything. You’re good. “ \nI walked out feeling a little less comfortable with my age, too.", ">\n\n19-anything has been \"good\" for like 5 years now...\nEdit- oh your probably american, 3 years then", ">\n\nThey asked his age, so def not european or latin american", ">\n\nI mean that’s what they’ll say it’s for. Because nobody wants to let kids watch porn obviously. But in practice; \n\nPeople who want to visit these websites will have to install an application for government-licensed digital certification on their mobile phones to prove that they are at least 18 years old.\n\nYeah that’s very different to blocking access to porn for minors.", ">\n\n\nPeople who want to visit these websites\n\n\"These websites\" will be not only porn websites, but also other websites, falsely flagged as porn.\nLegislators don't understand how Internet works.\nAlso it's easy to circumvent by just installing a TOR Browser. Or any random VPN/proxy. Or using a web proxy.\nIn Bulgaria we have a filter for copyright-infringing and gambling websites that wrongly block other sites using the same Cloudflare IP address.", ">\n\nEuropean union countries love to make stupid regulations that almost certainly backfire. Every kid in the country will know how to work a vpn, torrent, tor, and/or proxy by the end of the week. Meanwhile adults consuming legal content will have their data exposed to breaches", ">\n\nUK tried to do a porn ban of their own a few years back\nThey only backpedaled because it was pointed out that VPN could get you through easily, so then they tried to ban VPNs\nThen every business in the country collectively screamed (because VPNs have business applications as well, even banking) and told them to stop\nThat was the last we've heard of it since, but it'll probably crop up again in future by some old farts who don't know how the internet works", ">\n\nIt's a real problem that technology has so outpaced government legislation that they have no idea what to do with it. It's a problem on a lot of fronts.\nLike what the fuck is some 70 year old senator going to know about anything to do with modern tech?", ">\n\nAge is no excuse, plenty of old people have kept up with the changing world.", ">\n\nIt shouldn't be an excuse. I personally make sure to keep up with technology because I understand it's importance. But there's plenty of old people who didn't and don't want to understand new things. It's a shame but anyone who has elderly parents that don't know how to fucking work an ipad understands the struggle.\nIt's a shame, but it is the reality of the situation.", ">\n\nCongress geezers have employees whose job it is to inform them about important stuff and make sure they understand why it matters.", ">\n\nRight, but they also have lobbyists telling them why they should ignore the people trying to educate them about stuff and vote against people's interests.", ">\n\nBut in who’s interest it is here to hard block porn ? The mail VHS lobby is back ?", ">\n\nSomehow, Steam will still need you to enter your birthday.", ">\n\nMe everytime I go on the CSGO steam page: \"for fuck sake steam, I have over 2000h logged in on this games, and I've spent thousands of euros on your platform for the past 10 fucking year buying other age restricted games and you are still fucking asking for my age??? I've owned this stupid game since 2014 and you still haven't figured out I'm of age????\" \nBut hey, it's the only complaint I have from steam, so I guess I'll let it pass.", ">\n\nI assume you too are born on January 1st, maybe in 2000?", ">\n\nObviously I'm born in 1912", ">\n\nYou go, Great-great-great-grandpa! Keeping up with the times. \nWait, do they have a horse and buggy simulator?! \n...probably will soon.", ">\n\nQuestion is, what do they define as a pornographic site? Twitter openly allows porn, and if people have to visit a site to tweet it's going to kill the platform in the country. People by and large aren't going to install an app to upload pics of the meal they last ate with the caption \"thinking of him.\"", ">\n\nSo does Reddit. Going to be a very tough implementation.", ">\n\nIt's not that tough for Reddit, just forbid the parts that ask you to confirm you're 18+. The job is already done, basically. You'll ban porn and gore, it's tO birds one stone for their pov", ">\n\nHow? With HTTPS as the standard, ISPs no longer know the URL being served, only the domain (and even that, not all the time).", ">\n\nIdk how but they can! I was in Saudi Arabia (which blocks porn, but can be accessed with vpn), and Reddit really couldn't be searched for Porn nor NSFW subs. And Google in the country was forced to implement the \"SafeSearch\" feature which couldn't be turned off.\nThe only way to access Reddit porn was to post a subreddit's name in a random comment then click on it so it opens. Or to save a megathread that collected all the subs links.", ">\n\nIf you were indeed accessing over HTTPS, it likely there were extra certificate installed on the computer that allowed them to perform a MITM attack, or software that does something similar. It would not be possible without installing something on the user's computer \nOr reddit was complying with Saudi rules for traffic coming from Saudi Arabia", ">\n\nRight, most people don't realize when they connect to wifi and it asks you to accept a certificate, that means the network is literally decrypting everything you are doing. They just see it as the \"ok connect!\" box.", ">\n\nYeah no certificates were asked other than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.", ">\n\n\nother than in WiFis in public universities and gov workplaces.\n\nThose certificates remain with you tho even if you use a different network.", ">\n\nGonna go on a limb and assume the company that will have to implement this is linked to a sitting politician in some way.", ">\n\nNot even that, this is just the government getting its citizens to install their app on citizens' phones so they can start collecting on them. No doubt this type of app would start being used to verify more than just porn before long.", ">\n\nEven if it's just porn, I don't want to install an app that basically says \"Yes, I use this device to watch porn\", and I don't want to send data to the government saying \"Yes, I watch porn\". That's none of their fucking business. \nI feel like this is a band-aid to a problem that could be mostly solved through proper sex ed. \"No kids, what you see in pornography isn't representative of real life\". For fuck's sake, I had a sex ed course like that in the 90s. Talked about the issues with pornography, how it didn't represent real intercourse, how it was sexist, etc.", ">\n\nBold move to boost the IT education of the youth. Bravo!", ">\n\nPretty much. I doubt any teenager's gonna say \"alright, guess I'm not watching porn anymore\" and leave it at that.", ">\n\n\"I'll just use my NordVPN!\"", ">\n\nPush comes to shove I’m sure magazines will just get popular again", ">\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. The print age is long gone. Digital information is not restricted to the internet by a long shot. \nThis is also true in places like China. When we hear stories about the people of China being completely ignorant of the outside world, it's nonsense. The official media channels are controlled but the people there can see anything that you or I can see if they are even moderately determined to do so. People may choose to follow the official narrative but it's simply not true that they have no options. Same with kids and porn or any other group and any other topic. If they want to see it, they can see it.", ">\n\n\nWe're too far past that point. A small, low cost, USB drive is 64 gigs. You can fit more porn on that drive in JPG form than the number of pages in a typical local branch library. \n\nShit in high school in the early 2000s there was a CD that was passed around and copied that was full of porn. It was only 650mb but that was enough.", ">\n\nYeah, the game was over way back then. The recordable CD changed the game in an era when the net was still too slow to be a reliable source of porn. But now there is no going back. People hardly even use DVDs anymore much less CDs. And why would they, a USB drive is so cheap and holds what a hard drive did twenty years ago.", ">\n\nYeah, the guy in the photo looks like a porn loremaster. I can see why he wants to gatekeep.", ">\n\nAnd yet the age of consent in France is 15. So you can have sex with someone who isn't old enough to watch porn for three more years.", ">\n\nLiterally the French President was banging his 32 year old teacher at 15 who is now his wife\nEdit: she was 40", ">\n\nsorry what", ">\n\nThe president of France was groomed by his teacher when he was a kid.", ">\n\nAnd look how he turned out.", ">\n\nhe turned out a neoliberal 🤢 child sex grooming is really an awful thing", ">\n\nNational VPN law aimed to stimulate the VPN industry. Good job.", ">\n\nLol yeah let's not hold parents responsible for monitoring their children's internet usage. Instead we should make everyone install government mandated spyware.", ">\n\nYeah, I've never understood why these porn bans never focus on the user-end. Like, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites. Worried parents who are comforted by the illusion of control get what the want, and everyone else gets what they want.", ">\n\n\nLike, make a law that requires every internet browser to include parental controls that block porn sites.\n\nCool, I'll just download the source code of any browser, remove the parental lock functions and compile a new browser. Or 20 other people will do the same and release compiled browser on one of 100s of different sites.", ">\n\n… and followed by another 1000 people making shady virus-filled unofficial builds.", ">\n\nCmon, don't worry just let us install apps on every phone and computer that lets us track and control your content. It's for the kids, do you hate kids? \nOh you don't want to install it huh? You must be hiding something. \nLook at that conspiracy theorist who refuses to install the child safety app, he must be a chomo.\nLet's introduce some legislation that makes it impossible for companies to hire these app-less freaks.\nIs how I imagine it going if it ever gets into law, which it probably won't but once the media machine gets going, the majority of people will be too afraid to say anything other than what the media is being told to propagate.\nAs always though, I have faith in the French people's spirit of protesting and the completely ineptitude of boomer politicians when it comes to interwebs things. Realistically, the only way you're going to get to be able to do this is through a China-style great fire wall with social ID scan for every app and even then, it's not foolproof.", ">\n\nAtempt doomed to fail", ">\n\nGood luck.", ">\n\nSo a 15 year old can have sex with their 40 year old, married teacher and the French shrug their shoulders, but if a 17 year old watches two adults have sex in a porno that’s crossing a line? Okay", ">\n\nLike...the video isn't molesting them.... at least I can't see their logic for claiming a video is molesting them MORE than their 40 year old teacher molesting them is, lmao.", ">\n\nI hope they know that a fucking 6 year old will be able to find their way around those apps. This is old people reacting to things that scare them. Kids shouldn't be looking at porn, obviously. But this isn't going to stop them.", ">\n\nThey will probably install a VPN instead of a government app", ">\n\nAnd that's a smooth segue to our sponsor, Nord\n- kid", ">\n\nMore opportunities for the French to protest. Their probably loving this", ">\n\nIt's like they just got internet last week.", ">\n\nOf all countries to restrict porn, this was not on my bingo card.", ">\n\nIt's only considered porn if it's not in French.\n\"Mon Dieu! Plus rapide!!! Oui! Oui!\" makes it acceptable.", ">\n\nthis is going to be impossible to enforce unless they erect a \"great wall\" type of firewall like china (which they won't and isn't even 100% effective) \nLaws that are unenforceable are fucking useless. How can so much ignorance be possible on supposedly qualified lawmakers?", ">\n\nYou're thinking the wrong way. They don't need it to work on everyone. Even a small number of people doing it will be thousands of data points on their app to harvest for their surely very cool and normal reasons.", ">\n\nAs a french citizen, I will refuse to install a gouvernement freedom restriction app", ">\n\n“Think of the kids” is the rallying cry of totalitarians everywhere.", ">\n\nOr \"That law is just for your protection and safety\".", ">\n\nThat's insane. I grew up in France and use to watch porn on public television on France 5", ">\n\nI grew up in Ireland and watched porn on French public channels via satellite before the internet was a thing.", ">\n\nI grew up in Soviet Union and watched French movies with nudity on pirated video tapes before the iron curtain came down and market was flooded with boner-killing early post-soviet porn", ">\n\nHilarious. Let's see how this novel approach is going in about six months...", ">\n\nI saw full nudity and skinamax-like sex scenes on over the air broadcast television when I was in Paris. Maybe start there before going all Orwellian? Or does this maybe have nothing to do with protecting kids?", ">\n\nYeah I thought France basically invented porn. Like we’re talking about the country the Marquis de Sade hailed from.", ">\n\nRight? I don’t want to suggest I was opposed to it. I figured being pretty transparent about sex and nudity was kinda their thing. They are the anti-prudes. It’s a good thing. This seems very out of character.", ">\n\n\"This government bill is brought to you by NordVPN\"", ">\n\nDon't forget to like and subscribe!", ">\n\nYes, porn being found by 11-year olds isn't ideal/good, yes it has huge impacts on development of young children. No, invasion of privacy is not the answer to this.", ">\n\nYeah. A government backed porn registry sounds like exactly the kind of kompromat republicans dream about.\nRemember how quick they were able to oust Madison Cawthorn after he spoke openly about being invited to orgies with colleagues? All of a sudden he was gay, and they had photo proof of it to sway voters away from him.", ">\n\nThe fact that everything has to be looked at through an American political lens is a bit frustrating.", ">\n\nI wonder when the riots will start.", ">\n\nViolence still ok??", ">\n\n\nnearly one in three children have been exposed to pornography by the age of 12 and 62% by the age of 15\n\nThey treat it like it's radiation... I can only speak for myself, but at a certain age you get interested in that stuff. For some at 12 for others at 15. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Without it, we all would not be here. Stigmatizing porn strikes me as odd. \n​\nNot to mention the criticality of the government installing spyware on your phone. Stuff like that has never been abused, right?", ">\n\nOnly 62% by the age of 15? Seems really wrong. How was that data gathered? Did they ask the kids in front of their parents or something?", ">\n\nyeah France is the last country that would be having a puritanical objection to people watching pornography. This is just an obvious excuse to force people to download government spyware. Whats with the French? They've gotten so, je ne sais pas quoi, \"gauche\" about things lately, no?", ">\n\nNot very French of them", ">\n\nIsn't that what heinous conservative governments do when they want to distract the public with a horsecrap moral panic and culture war? Is this about raising the retirement age again or is it something new?", ">\n\nWhy does France have pornography sites for minors?", ">\n\nYou know a better way to stop kids looking at porn? Better parents. How about we invest in that", ">\n\nWhy not just be better parents... crazy fucking thought", ">\n\n“I’m over 18, ”\nGood job, pays des droits de l’Homme", ">\n\nI think you'll find it's:\n\nJe suis 18?\n[Oui] [Non]\n\nIf there's one thing I know for certain of our southern neighbour, using English for this would be more offensive than the block itself.", ">\n\n*J'ai 18 ans ?\nIn French, you say your age as a possession rather than something that you are. Also, you put a space before any punctuation that is 2 marks.", ">\n\nThe French language is the real crime here", ">\n\nSacre bleu!", ">\n\nNow a word from our sponsor: nordVPN", ">\n\nSo basically, I'd have to get a permit from the government to watch porn?\nnope, not happening.\nand there's no way it would be allowed by the constitution.\nand of course it's gonna be hacked or worked around in no time.", ">\n\nHm it’s almost as if it’s actually impossible to do this without some obscene level of government spyware. Just google images alone has tons and tons of pornographic material that even safe search won’t block. Then major website wise you’ve got platforms like twitter and reddit where adult content can be accessed in about 5 seconds. There’s no way to police it without having accounts that require ID verification which nobody would ever agree to. Plus even if adult sites are blocked even on a supposedly ‘safe’ platform like google images it’s not actually clear. \nEducating youths on the risks, dangers and what it is works way better. Parents also keeping an eye on what their kids are doing on their devices also works too.", ">\n\nImrpoving sex education in schools is way cheaper, safer, and productive. Also, creating campaigns and helping parents educate their kids better. Way better than creating some weird infrastructure to block some websites.", ">\n\nHey what's up guys don't forget to like and subscribe so today I'm going to tell you why this idea is fucking stupid but first here's a word from our sponsor ExpressVPN", ">\n\nThe French youth will very quickly become well versed in the dark arts of the Virtual Private Network", ">\n\nAlways be suspicious of government officials passing laws about what you can and can't see on the internet no matter what they say it's about.", ">\n\nThe harm of this will be massive and any data breach will almost certainly result in suicides and extortion. \nTrade in stolen porn site log in details exists, is pretty big and often form part of sextortion campaigns as well as simple data breaches and hacking. I have a text file 1.5 million log in details for porn sites that i am going through, there is educators, government and even an FBI email address i am researching. This is one small combo list.\nThere is no other way to put it, this is state sanctioned voyeurism and spying, it harms children and adults and is not at all needed in any capacity. The risk is to huge to warrant its implementation, the trade of for some utopian \"protection of children\" is not enough for the lives this harmful policy will ruin and the people this stuff will kill. There is a reason why people don't like having their sexual interests public. \nThe security would need to be top notch in order to prevent its abuse, France would need to prevent scam apps on the google app store (and ios) and it would need to ensure that any and all leaks, data breaches or hacks are treated with the upmost important. Even one scam website, a phishing could end up being fatal. \nThis app will end up having a body count.", ">\n\nAn government being inept with its citizens data?Impossible!!! /S", ">\n\nThe only positive is that greedy age verification companies, who bend over backwards to try and force this kind of thing into power in order to sell and profit from peoples data at the cost of data security and privacy wont get a say in it from what i can tell. \nThe age verification lobbying group in the UK blocked me years ago for bringing up how this type of system can and will be used to spy and record women without their consent, they don't care for the victims its all about money.", ">\n\nThis system lets them build a lgbtq registry", ">\n\nThis is something to be worried about. In the year 2023 we still have world religious leaders calling for the mass execution of all LGBT people, and in the digital age it's impossible for anyone's sexuality to be completely secret. At the very least that information could be used to create a large number of regular people vulnerable to blackmail or selective enforcement of the law if anti-LGBT laws were to be passed.", ">\n\nif you want to protect children start with EVERY SINGLE RELIGION BAN.", ">\n\nwhat an absolute waste of time and resources", ">\n\nYeah, good luck with that. Nothing can stop a horny teenage boy from getting to the porn.\n(Source: I was a horny teenage boy when porn war neither free nor ubiquitous)", ">\n\nIt is so easy though. Enforce passeport authentication to access service provider internet. Decline this into as many controls as you want based on race genre nationality age etc", ">\n\nOi, avez-vous une licence pour ce porno ?", ">\n\n\"are you over 18?\"", ">\n\nHaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! Suuuure, because it worked soooo well with magazines at the time.", ">\n\nNever trust anyone who hides behind \"protecting kids\" it's a bullshit cowards excuse for everything.", ">\n\nUK were going to do something similar and at the time I worked for a large child protection charity. I actually worked with pornhub who reached out to us to create some content for them for when a child fails to gain access due to being a minor.\nTo be honest many of us were against this because we know that all that's going to happen is it will push kids to more extreme or foreign sites where there are no such restrictions.\nPornhub were doing the responsible thing but ultimately they didn't want children on their site either. They said basically even the moral issues aside, children are worthless to them. Advertisements on PornHub are aimed at people with money: adults. Children don't have money so advertisers don't want to waste impressions on kids with no purchasing power.\nThe UK were going to use a credit card requirement which was bad as well because it meant there's going to be a ton of credit card fraud arising from it.\nThankfully it didn't happen. The better approach to this is be more open and honest with young people. Porn is a thing, it's made for adults but at some point young people will explore their sexualityb and that's normal. Porn is a relatively safe way to do this as long as there's some understanding that it's not like real sex and that often women in porn are not treated well.\nYou have to prepare the child for the road, you can't prepare the road for the child.", ">\n\nThey should just make it illegal to lie about your age online 👌", ">\n\ntechnologically illiterate boomers are trying to make a thing.", ">\n\nJust a reminder that Mindgeek, the shady tax dodging company behind most internet porn including PornHub has been one of the main champions of this tech having developed the AgeID system which they approached the UK government to try and get mandated into law.", ">\n\nLol my mom tried the same thing when I was a kid. At 13 with zero computer acumen, I found a way around it. \nIt ain’t gonna work.", ">\n\nI bet this is a case of the guys introducing or supporting the legislation being addicts of the thing they are trying to ban themselves.", ">\n\nNot wanting to have minors watch porn and not having them watch porn are entirely different things, let's not pretend like hormones don't go crazy as a teenager, porn helps control it, unless of course people want high schools to get out of control again because horny people.\nAdditionally, in reality the blocking won't work btw, it's not hard to bypass.", ">\n\nMiners shouldn’t be looking at porn at work, it’s a dangerous profession and they should distract themselves.", ">\n\n\"France moves to teach all teenagers how to use a VPN\"", ">\n\nIn unrelated news, teens in France have become extremely proficient in computer technology.", ">\n\nAnd once again authoritarian laws are pushed \"for the children\".", ">\n\nMy country already tried and failed to do this (UK) you can't block porn there's just no way vpns are so easy to use that you can't really think this will work even if you want it to.", ">\n\nThis, like the UK one, will definitely go through and work. Much like I have not been able to visit the pirate bay in a decade or so...", ">\n\nThe government….any government….is a sh***y parent. Always has been. Always will be. Real parents can keep their kids off porn sites at their home, and on phones/tablets they own. But a kid with raging hormones will find porn where they find it regardless of their parents or the government.", ">\n\nYeah, that's not what they're trying to do lol. A good way to make sure your kids don't have easy access to porn before they're mentally ready for it is to not give them computers, phones, and tablets when they're fucking 5 years old.", ">\n\nCant they use a vpn", ">\n\nThought the same thing. Maybe it's for the purpose of selling/rolling out their digital certification app infrastructure, maybe it's theater to appear they're doing something despite being aware of the workaround, maybe they're confident that even with the workaround that a significant number of people will still be impeded from access, maybe it's a big data collection and surveillance scheme, maybe maybe maybe", ">\n\nIts so dumb though you telling me a 15 yr old in france can fuck physically but cant watch porn.", ">\n\nWait do you mean can legally consent in general? Wow, I knew they had early drinking age but damn.", ">\n\nHmmph its 15 so this bill makes no sense", ">\n\nPeople who come up with shit like that are stupid. That will never work. \nThe only thing that does is making it harder for actual adult to do shit.\nMost Sites will either ignore this shit or just block all french IPs, just like half American Websites are blocked in the EU since they dont comply with our Privacy Laws.", ">\n\nApparently France doesn't understand how the Internet works...", ">\n\nHere's a hot take: this is very stupid. Having grown up in a suburban, cloistered part of America, one of the things that damaged me the most was how everybody seemed to believe that any sort of sexual behavior was inherently disgusting. Having now left, I can't say how relaxing it is to be able to freely acknowledge that sex exists, and talk about it, without having to worry about somebody calling me a \"pedo\" because I acknowledge that a penis exists. \nTeens are going to watch porn, and that's okay.", ">\n\nIs there any evidence for the proposition that a 17 year old, who searches out PornHub on their own, is being harmed by the visit?", ">\n\nOr harmed in any way that it wouldn't an 18 year old?", ">\n\nNope, smoking doesn't hurt a 17 year old more than an 18 year old, but we let adults choose to harm themselves and we protect kids from it.", ">\n\nAnd a word from today's sponsor ___ VPN.", ">\n\nSlippery slope.", ">\n\nThis was the same place that had zero age of consent up until a lawsuit years ago. 2 eleven year old girls were raped, the men never charged, so they fought to have the law changed AND WON!!!", ">\n\n\"Todays podcast is brought to you by SurfShark! Do you want to watch internet content such as TV shows and Porn as if you lived in another country? Visit SurfShark.com/Barrot to get 30% off your subscription.\"", ">\n\nSwitch DNS server?\nOr will they enforce full HTTPS scans like the great firewall of china?", ">\n\nThis is the parent's/guardian's job, not government's.", ">\n\nEveryone doing everything they can to avoid putting the liability on the people who own the children. If you choose to have children, you choose to own something that can't consent themselves therefore, as a parent, you are automatically consenting to face the liabilities of the consequences of your property. Put the onus on the parents. Those of us who choose not to have kids shouldn't be burdened by the idiots who do.", ">\n\nGlad to hear France has solved all its more important problems.", ">\n\nNext French government will have to ban VPNs because that’s what it takes at the minimum to even resemble enforcing this. I can tell them in advance from a country that tried it doesn’t work.", ">\n\nEasily undermined and subverted with a VPN.", ">\n\nHow are so many politicians the world over soo clueless when it comes to the internet?", ">\n\nSo when's the protest for this?", ">\n\nBut how are they getting in!? There is a button asking if they're 18! It's fool proof!", ">\n\nI’m not disagreeing but it’s a slippery slope.", ">\n\nMinors are already blocked from accessing porn, I don't know any porn site without an \"are you 18+?\" popup. This sort of shit is pointless.", ">\n\nPft, good luck. It's been tried hundreds of times, but where there's a box of tissues there's a way.", ">\n\nSo can we expect a rise in secret woods porn again in France. Teens these days have no idea how easy they have it. When I was a young walking erection we had to stumble on our porn in the woods. Didn't matter what woods, you could always find it though." ]