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[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah..." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used)." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups.", ">\n\nAs long as they stay off the sidewalks, I’m fine with cyclists. Cars are worse." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups.", ">\n\nAs long as they stay off the sidewalks, I’m fine with cyclists. Cars are worse.", ">\n\nFuck you too. Grumpy bastard" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups.", ">\n\nAs long as they stay off the sidewalks, I’m fine with cyclists. Cars are worse.", ">\n\nFuck you too. Grumpy bastard", ">\n\nI wish 😭" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups.", ">\n\nAs long as they stay off the sidewalks, I’m fine with cyclists. Cars are worse.", ">\n\nFuck you too. Grumpy bastard", ">\n\nI wish 😭", ">\n\nI like to walk with my earbuds in, so I can’t hear when I cyclist is yelling at me. They get really mad sometimes 🙄" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups.", ">\n\nAs long as they stay off the sidewalks, I’m fine with cyclists. Cars are worse.", ">\n\nFuck you too. Grumpy bastard", ">\n\nI wish 😭", ">\n\nI like to walk with my earbuds in, so I can’t hear when I cyclist is yelling at me. They get really mad sometimes 🙄", ">\n\nAs a driver and sometimes cyclist, I cannot stand pedestrians. They're always walking up to a crosswalk and pressing the button and then strolling oh so casually like they're in a flower garden. Heck I've seen then walk up to a location where there's NOT a crosswalk and step right in the path of traffic expecting all of them to slam on their brakes for little old them.\nNonsense. When I lived in the city and had to cross the street, I WAITED until it was reasonably clear and then QUICKLY zipped across. Why should all of those cars have to wait for little old me? That's selfish. Those people in those cars are on their way to somewhere too.\nSpare me the usual response \"we have right of way\" I'd argue you shouldn't. \"What about people in wheelchairs etc\" those people I saw were young people walking just fine. They're just too slow and, due in part to the right of way laws, entitled. Eff em, I say." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups.", ">\n\nAs long as they stay off the sidewalks, I’m fine with cyclists. Cars are worse.", ">\n\nFuck you too. Grumpy bastard", ">\n\nI wish 😭", ">\n\nI like to walk with my earbuds in, so I can’t hear when I cyclist is yelling at me. They get really mad sometimes 🙄", ">\n\nAs a driver and sometimes cyclist, I cannot stand pedestrians. They're always walking up to a crosswalk and pressing the button and then strolling oh so casually like they're in a flower garden. Heck I've seen then walk up to a location where there's NOT a crosswalk and step right in the path of traffic expecting all of them to slam on their brakes for little old them.\nNonsense. When I lived in the city and had to cross the street, I WAITED until it was reasonably clear and then QUICKLY zipped across. Why should all of those cars have to wait for little old me? That's selfish. Those people in those cars are on their way to somewhere too.\nSpare me the usual response \"we have right of way\" I'd argue you shouldn't. \"What about people in wheelchairs etc\" those people I saw were young people walking just fine. They're just too slow and, due in part to the right of way laws, entitled. Eff em, I say.", ">\n\n“Cars stop at stop walks” lol if you’re lucky my city cars blow through stop walks all the time. Takes about 2-3 cars before one will finally stop and let people walk through" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups.", ">\n\nAs long as they stay off the sidewalks, I’m fine with cyclists. Cars are worse.", ">\n\nFuck you too. Grumpy bastard", ">\n\nI wish 😭", ">\n\nI like to walk with my earbuds in, so I can’t hear when I cyclist is yelling at me. They get really mad sometimes 🙄", ">\n\nAs a driver and sometimes cyclist, I cannot stand pedestrians. They're always walking up to a crosswalk and pressing the button and then strolling oh so casually like they're in a flower garden. Heck I've seen then walk up to a location where there's NOT a crosswalk and step right in the path of traffic expecting all of them to slam on their brakes for little old them.\nNonsense. When I lived in the city and had to cross the street, I WAITED until it was reasonably clear and then QUICKLY zipped across. Why should all of those cars have to wait for little old me? That's selfish. Those people in those cars are on their way to somewhere too.\nSpare me the usual response \"we have right of way\" I'd argue you shouldn't. \"What about people in wheelchairs etc\" those people I saw were young people walking just fine. They're just too slow and, due in part to the right of way laws, entitled. Eff em, I say.", ">\n\n“Cars stop at stop walks” lol if you’re lucky my city cars blow through stop walks all the time. Takes about 2-3 cars before one will finally stop and let people walk through", ">\n\nI travelled a lot and it is true. Few countries have drivers who stop at crosswalks. Fortunately where I live, people do stop." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups.", ">\n\nAs long as they stay off the sidewalks, I’m fine with cyclists. Cars are worse.", ">\n\nFuck you too. Grumpy bastard", ">\n\nI wish 😭", ">\n\nI like to walk with my earbuds in, so I can’t hear when I cyclist is yelling at me. They get really mad sometimes 🙄", ">\n\nAs a driver and sometimes cyclist, I cannot stand pedestrians. They're always walking up to a crosswalk and pressing the button and then strolling oh so casually like they're in a flower garden. Heck I've seen then walk up to a location where there's NOT a crosswalk and step right in the path of traffic expecting all of them to slam on their brakes for little old them.\nNonsense. When I lived in the city and had to cross the street, I WAITED until it was reasonably clear and then QUICKLY zipped across. Why should all of those cars have to wait for little old me? That's selfish. Those people in those cars are on their way to somewhere too.\nSpare me the usual response \"we have right of way\" I'd argue you shouldn't. \"What about people in wheelchairs etc\" those people I saw were young people walking just fine. They're just too slow and, due in part to the right of way laws, entitled. Eff em, I say.", ">\n\n“Cars stop at stop walks” lol if you’re lucky my city cars blow through stop walks all the time. Takes about 2-3 cars before one will finally stop and let people walk through", ">\n\nI travelled a lot and it is true. Few countries have drivers who stop at crosswalks. Fortunately where I live, people do stop.", ">\n\nPedestrians are the worst in my experiences. You can have a separate road, bike lane, and sidewalk....yet the MAJORITY of pedestrians will walk on the bike lane and not the side walk (that's literally 1 foot away)....well, I don't want to ride on the sidewalk, so I'm stuck riding at a walking pace in a sea of clueless pedestrians who INSIST on walking in the bike lane (again, despite the side walk that's literally right there). Maybe pedestrians should use the sidewalk instead of the bike lane if they don't want he bikes to use the sidewalk. I stay on the bike lane, but it'd honestly be safer to use the sidewalk since the majority of the pedestrians insist on walking in the bike lane) \n(I even have video of this for anyone who doesn't believe me)." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups.", ">\n\nAs long as they stay off the sidewalks, I’m fine with cyclists. Cars are worse.", ">\n\nFuck you too. Grumpy bastard", ">\n\nI wish 😭", ">\n\nI like to walk with my earbuds in, so I can’t hear when I cyclist is yelling at me. They get really mad sometimes 🙄", ">\n\nAs a driver and sometimes cyclist, I cannot stand pedestrians. They're always walking up to a crosswalk and pressing the button and then strolling oh so casually like they're in a flower garden. Heck I've seen then walk up to a location where there's NOT a crosswalk and step right in the path of traffic expecting all of them to slam on their brakes for little old them.\nNonsense. When I lived in the city and had to cross the street, I WAITED until it was reasonably clear and then QUICKLY zipped across. Why should all of those cars have to wait for little old me? That's selfish. Those people in those cars are on their way to somewhere too.\nSpare me the usual response \"we have right of way\" I'd argue you shouldn't. \"What about people in wheelchairs etc\" those people I saw were young people walking just fine. They're just too slow and, due in part to the right of way laws, entitled. Eff em, I say.", ">\n\n“Cars stop at stop walks” lol if you’re lucky my city cars blow through stop walks all the time. Takes about 2-3 cars before one will finally stop and let people walk through", ">\n\nI travelled a lot and it is true. Few countries have drivers who stop at crosswalks. Fortunately where I live, people do stop.", ">\n\nPedestrians are the worst in my experiences. You can have a separate road, bike lane, and sidewalk....yet the MAJORITY of pedestrians will walk on the bike lane and not the side walk (that's literally 1 foot away)....well, I don't want to ride on the sidewalk, so I'm stuck riding at a walking pace in a sea of clueless pedestrians who INSIST on walking in the bike lane (again, despite the side walk that's literally right there). Maybe pedestrians should use the sidewalk instead of the bike lane if they don't want he bikes to use the sidewalk. I stay on the bike lane, but it'd honestly be safer to use the sidewalk since the majority of the pedestrians insist on walking in the bike lane) \n(I even have video of this for anyone who doesn't believe me).", ">\n\nI used to have to go to these bike committee meetings where the biking infrastructure in our city was being planned. Cyclists are unhinged on bikes and in chairs." ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups.", ">\n\nAs long as they stay off the sidewalks, I’m fine with cyclists. Cars are worse.", ">\n\nFuck you too. Grumpy bastard", ">\n\nI wish 😭", ">\n\nI like to walk with my earbuds in, so I can’t hear when I cyclist is yelling at me. They get really mad sometimes 🙄", ">\n\nAs a driver and sometimes cyclist, I cannot stand pedestrians. They're always walking up to a crosswalk and pressing the button and then strolling oh so casually like they're in a flower garden. Heck I've seen then walk up to a location where there's NOT a crosswalk and step right in the path of traffic expecting all of them to slam on their brakes for little old them.\nNonsense. When I lived in the city and had to cross the street, I WAITED until it was reasonably clear and then QUICKLY zipped across. Why should all of those cars have to wait for little old me? That's selfish. Those people in those cars are on their way to somewhere too.\nSpare me the usual response \"we have right of way\" I'd argue you shouldn't. \"What about people in wheelchairs etc\" those people I saw were young people walking just fine. They're just too slow and, due in part to the right of way laws, entitled. Eff em, I say.", ">\n\n“Cars stop at stop walks” lol if you’re lucky my city cars blow through stop walks all the time. Takes about 2-3 cars before one will finally stop and let people walk through", ">\n\nI travelled a lot and it is true. Few countries have drivers who stop at crosswalks. Fortunately where I live, people do stop.", ">\n\nPedestrians are the worst in my experiences. You can have a separate road, bike lane, and sidewalk....yet the MAJORITY of pedestrians will walk on the bike lane and not the side walk (that's literally 1 foot away)....well, I don't want to ride on the sidewalk, so I'm stuck riding at a walking pace in a sea of clueless pedestrians who INSIST on walking in the bike lane (again, despite the side walk that's literally right there). Maybe pedestrians should use the sidewalk instead of the bike lane if they don't want he bikes to use the sidewalk. I stay on the bike lane, but it'd honestly be safer to use the sidewalk since the majority of the pedestrians insist on walking in the bike lane) \n(I even have video of this for anyone who doesn't believe me).", ">\n\nI used to have to go to these bike committee meetings where the biking infrastructure in our city was being planned. Cyclists are unhinged on bikes and in chairs.", ">\n\n“Fuck scooters too”\nA-fucking-men. Recounting a couple weeks back where I had to step off sidewalk into a bike lane to avoid a group of children walking down sidewalk in Fenway. \nSome fat bitch comes tooling around the corner on a scooter and says “it’s a fucking bike lane!”\n🤡" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups.", ">\n\nAs long as they stay off the sidewalks, I’m fine with cyclists. Cars are worse.", ">\n\nFuck you too. Grumpy bastard", ">\n\nI wish 😭", ">\n\nI like to walk with my earbuds in, so I can’t hear when I cyclist is yelling at me. They get really mad sometimes 🙄", ">\n\nAs a driver and sometimes cyclist, I cannot stand pedestrians. They're always walking up to a crosswalk and pressing the button and then strolling oh so casually like they're in a flower garden. Heck I've seen then walk up to a location where there's NOT a crosswalk and step right in the path of traffic expecting all of them to slam on their brakes for little old them.\nNonsense. When I lived in the city and had to cross the street, I WAITED until it was reasonably clear and then QUICKLY zipped across. Why should all of those cars have to wait for little old me? That's selfish. Those people in those cars are on their way to somewhere too.\nSpare me the usual response \"we have right of way\" I'd argue you shouldn't. \"What about people in wheelchairs etc\" those people I saw were young people walking just fine. They're just too slow and, due in part to the right of way laws, entitled. Eff em, I say.", ">\n\n“Cars stop at stop walks” lol if you’re lucky my city cars blow through stop walks all the time. Takes about 2-3 cars before one will finally stop and let people walk through", ">\n\nI travelled a lot and it is true. Few countries have drivers who stop at crosswalks. Fortunately where I live, people do stop.", ">\n\nPedestrians are the worst in my experiences. You can have a separate road, bike lane, and sidewalk....yet the MAJORITY of pedestrians will walk on the bike lane and not the side walk (that's literally 1 foot away)....well, I don't want to ride on the sidewalk, so I'm stuck riding at a walking pace in a sea of clueless pedestrians who INSIST on walking in the bike lane (again, despite the side walk that's literally right there). Maybe pedestrians should use the sidewalk instead of the bike lane if they don't want he bikes to use the sidewalk. I stay on the bike lane, but it'd honestly be safer to use the sidewalk since the majority of the pedestrians insist on walking in the bike lane) \n(I even have video of this for anyone who doesn't believe me).", ">\n\nI used to have to go to these bike committee meetings where the biking infrastructure in our city was being planned. Cyclists are unhinged on bikes and in chairs.", ">\n\n“Fuck scooters too”\nA-fucking-men. Recounting a couple weeks back where I had to step off sidewalk into a bike lane to avoid a group of children walking down sidewalk in Fenway. \nSome fat bitch comes tooling around the corner on a scooter and says “it’s a fucking bike lane!”\n🤡", ">\n\nThey either need to follow the rules of the road and stay off the sidewalk, or don’t follow them and stay off the road. You don’t get both, assholes!" ]

[ "I’ve nothing against cyclists as a group. I prefer to hate all people who do stupid things whether they’re in cars, on bikes or walking. Went to pick my daughter up tonight and counted six cyclists in the dark wearing all black with no lights at all plus one with a light so weak I didn’t see it until I was nearly past him. Tonight it was dumb cyclists, but tomorrow it might be idiots in cars. Hate the idiots not the method of transportation.", ">\n\nTrue !", ">\n\nAs a cyclist in one of the most bike-dense cities in the world, I hate cyclists too. If I could avoid getting myself hurt, I’d be ramming at least ten of them a day just to teach a lesson about ignoring rules and common sense.", ">\n\nAmsterdam? Copenhagen?", ">\n\nCopenhagen. It’s a wonderful bike city but the people are incredibly self-centered.", ">\n\nI had high expectations from cyclists when I first visited the city, after all it is heralded as a cycling paradise and, well, let’s say it looked a lot more like the rest of the world and mainly because of the personal behavior of cyclists.\nMy local friend justified it, stating that it’s because danish are more temperamental than all other Scandinavians: an explanation that I really didn’t know what to do with…", ">\n\nIf “temperamental” means “a bunch of egotistical [insert unflattering body part]”, he’s right.", ">\n\nYou make it sound like a war zone. I live in Copenhagen and most of the time biking around the city is very pleasant. Except for the food delivery scooters, they can 🤬 off.", ">\n\nI guess it depends on how often and where you’re going. If you have places to be each and every day and want to get there effectively, people ignoring general rules and courtesies of the road are a pain. If you’re one of the types listening to podcasts with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other just trudging along, it’s probably fine.", ">\n\nI road cycled for years, I always followed the street rules. Always. Red light means red light. \nI have so many cycling friends who get into accidents and other conflicts with drivers, and yet they think it’s stupid to stop at a red light. They just don’t connect these two things", ">\n\nMost bikers I encounter are complete idiots. Like I'd be driving normally and out of nowhere comes a biker on a crosswalk in full speed. Now, I appreciate bikers who actually stop and make eye contact with me as I'm driving towards the crosswalk but man, it's either that or the biker almost dies because I have no time to brake.\nAnd what's up with all the bikers going like 5 kmh IN THE MIDDLE of a road when there's a dedicated sidewalk for bikers right next to them? Drives me insane.", ">\n\nIt seems like most bikers because of observation bias.\nIf you follow the rules as you should, you’re unmemorable.\nAs for the sidewalks - its actually less safe on the sidewalk.", ">\n\nThe reason it's not safer is because cars aren't looking for bikes there, so a bike moving any faster than a person walks, isn't in going to be seen, nor expected.", ">\n\nI know. But I'm not riding together in the same lane with traffic where the speed limit is 40 MPH.", ">\n\nThe idea is that cars give bikers space so they can ride on the side of the road, but when that doesn't happen, it becomes safer to just take the lane.\nIt's a shit situation, because it causes drivers to dislike cyclists, and then more cyclists feel unsafe.", ">\n\nSame! I love walking. Where I live on popular trails, there are bike lanes, but the cyclists will just ride wherever they. They don’t care and won’t let you know they’re coming. They’ll get pissy if you don’t just automatically know they’re coming up from behind you. If you do much as step foot in the bike lane, they get mad, but have no problems riding side by side outside the bike lane.", ">\n\nSame here! So much for my pleasant walk on the beautiful Trail. They sneak up and when they're almost on top of me, a loud voice yells \"On your left!\" They startle the shit out of me and cause me to jump sky high! 😡", ">\n\nIt’s literally the law to say that. This thread is all about hating them no matter if they follow the law or not.", ">\n\nBut the problem is half the time they don’t follow the laws. In my city they want to be both cars and pedestrians but they don’t follow the laws governing either and expect to be catered to. Cyclists are some of the worst possible people for following the laws and are a major cause of accidents, especially in intersections, because so many of them just decide the rules/laws aren’t for them.", ">\n\nThe rules and laws literally weren't designed to protect cyclists, though. The laws take no consideration of how bicycles operate.", ">\n\nAs a mostly former cyclist, I often hated cyclists too. Mostly, because so many cyclist are just competitive asshats that suck the pleasure out of their own bike ride by making everything about speed. Like, heaven forbid they have to slow and yield to anyone.\nOnce, I was riding my bicycle with my young daughter on a bike path in the city. A couple cyclist came up and got all pissy at us, saying we need to be out of the cycle lane because we were going too slow and my 8 year old kid wasn't keeping to a narrow lane. It was so hostile - my kid started crying.\nBut that is just so typical, all the time. I've gotten yelled out a few times when I made a full, foot down stop at a redlight because the cyclist behind me was expecting me to either run the redlight or at least go into the crosswalk and dance around (like they do) until it went green. I remember nearly getting run over by cyclists all the time, and yelled at if I was going too slow.\nThat being said, we need to do 100,000 x more in the US towards making bike paths, protected bike lanes, etc., because cyling is a truly great way to get around and I miss it. I just don't miss the self-centered asshats that dominate the cycling community.", ">\n\nThis!", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, I hate everyone who's not a pedestrian... And some pedestrians too.", ">\n\nMy biggest gripe about cyclists is that there is always some danger when you encounter them on the road, either as a pedestrian or motorist. Now, part of it isn’t their fault. At least here in the US, not much of the infrastructure is made for bicycles. But cyclists are constantly breaking the rules of the road (or sidewalk) to get where they’re going faster. Blowing red lights, leaving the bike lane to use the sidewalk, splitting lanes. I always clench a little when I approach one, wondering if this is the day I can’t get out of the way.", ">\n\nWe have that same problem, but then a million times worse, because I live in The Netherlands. You probably know about our proud cycling culture (the Amsterdam stereotype). And yes, cyclists here are just as bad as the ones you describe, but there’s a lot more of them here. And oh yeah, traffic laws are almost always in their favor.", ">\n\nThe laws are in their favor, even if they're not following them or ignoring even basic traffic laws (haaientanden).\nI mean, come on, if one would have a dash cam with video proof, how worse it would be, it should be able to help the motorist.", ">\n\nYes, but unfortunately not everyone has a dashcam, which should actually be mandatory to be honest. But then again, if us motorists have to buy a dashcam with our own money just to prove that a cyclist was in the wrong (as they are a bit more privileged according to the law), they still indirectly cost motorists money (dashcam’s aren’t free, sadly).", ">\n\nNo there not free, but just get one. It could save you a whole lot of headaches.", ">\n\nAgree, thanks for the tip vriendelijke vriend!", ">\n\nHello. \nMy useless comment to this post is here :D\nSo, i work in the accidents department of a big insurance company. My country is very strickt about the road rules, meaning:\nOur company estimates (is this the right word?) that around 82% of accidents involving cyclists, are to blame on the cyclist. Since there are expecific places on the road for you to ride your bike, even if it's not a bike lane.\nI remember a case where 3 dudes were just cycling, outside of town and they were literally on the middle of the road. the place where they were is full of curves and has very little visibility, so they were riding side by side, middle of the road, comes a car, hits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\nThey sued her and us (insurance) 2 times. Lost both and had to pay for all damage done on the car by their own bodys", ">\n\n\nhits not one, but the 3 of them because they scared the person and she just swerved the car.\n\nI'm trying to picture this, they were in the oncoming lane, around a corner, seeing people on a bicycle actually scared her somehow, and she drove into the oncoming lane of traffic? Isn't the usually tendency to break when scared, not to drive towards and into the thing that has scared you?", ">\n\nWell... yes and no. When something comes suddenly in your field of view, your eyes are attracted to that thing and you focus on it. And the thing with driving is we tend to reflexively aim where our eyes are looking. So basically, if you look to your left, you'll unconsciously steer in that direction a little. It's possible in the panic, she swerved where her eyes found the clyclists by reflex", ">\n\nWhile there's some truth to what you're saying, I still don't find it real plausible to have hit all three bicyclists as a result of a fright reaction.", ">\n\nYeah I'm skeptical myself. I'm just saying it could be a possibility. Maybe she was just not very bright or a great driver. But it's hard to judge. we don't know how we'd react in the panic of the moment if we lived this situation. I doubt it was intentional tho.", ">\n\ni know it kinda sounds like bs, but you would't imagine the things that actually happen on accidents (and the pictures i have colleted of funny stuff) . \nThis was indeed the discription (?) of the accident made by the three dudes, the lady did not say they were liying.\nin this case the violations were that they were cycling outside the designated area, without the proper equipment (reflective vests) in a place with low visibility, two of them were occupiying (?) her side of the road.", ">\n\nIdk maybe my town is weird like everwhere on the internet and even in statistics you hear stuff like that but then I haven't really seen any cyclists run red lights ever and as someone who maybe not often but sometimes cycles, the last thing I'd do as a cyclist is run a red light like I don't wanna die?", ">\n\nThis bicyclist used to harass people walking on the sidewalk by my job a few years back. He'd ride up on them really fast and yell loudly for them to get out of his way. He'd then almost run them over while flipping them off laughing all the way about it. One day an irate customer was outside waiting for him. He tossed a good sized tree limb into his spokes as he rushed by. Lol....he went flying and fractured his shoulder. I hear he missed 9 months of work", ">\n\nJerrySeinfeldThatsAShame.gif", ">\n\nI’d have no problem if cyclist had respect for other road users. where I live there are cycle lanes, but most cyclists are on the road or pavements, they ignore red lights etc. \nIf you want to cycle please make it’s safe for yourself and others around you.", ">\n\nExactly my thoughts", ">\n\nHonestly, selfish assholes exist everywhere but a selfish asshole on a bicycle does a lot less damage than a selfish asshole in a car. \nEDIT: OP's also downvoting everyone who disagrees with him, just fyi.", ">\n\nCyclists treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like yield signs (at best). They’re not allowed on sidewalks but do it anyway. Fuckin hate cyclists.", ">\n\nEverything you said is completely legal in Denver and sidewalks are illegal , but drivers constantly scream at cyclists to ride there", ">\n\nCyclist can roll stop signs and run red lights in Denver? What the fuck?", ">\n\nIt's frustrating how often cyclists get yelled at for doing stuff that's completely legal and actually makes traffic smoother for everyone.", ">\n\nI skateboard so I guess I'm good", ">\n\nJust don't be doing tricks on a stairway leading to the road and you're good!", ">\n\nI think everyone hates cyclists. Cyclists included.", ">\n\nThere's a reason so many cyclists die each year, they all seem to pick and choose which laws they want to follow. Its always safer to assume they'll do whatever they want and everyone else needs to adapt to them.", ">\n\nAs a driver downtown, I don't worry at all about pedestrians at intersections, I can turn my head and assume they will be maybe five feet closer to my car when I look back, (and I trust they won't sprint towards me when I look away, at their own peril), but bikes, they ride so fast, that in the short time I turn my head to check for oncoming traffic, a bike could materialize right beside / infront me, and I risk hitting them or them hitting the side of my car. And that's even in their designated bike lane, that I have to pass through to clear the intersection. And if I drive into a ped at three miles per hour, they will just hit my hood with their fist and call me a stupid motherfucker, or whatever makes them feel justice was served, but if I bump the bike, it will be a big crash, the bicyclist will be all curled up in a ball on the ground, I'll be the bad guy in the eyes of the law and anyone nearby, and I'll probably be late as fuck to wherever it is I'm trying to go to.", ">\n\nNot unpopular.\n Everyone hates cyclists.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nas a cyclist I hate everyone", ">\n\nSame, I see posts like this where people tell us to ride on the sidewalk when it’s illegal. \nThey assume we don’t walk anywhere, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road so we get hit by a car door. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nnow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red light only till it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC.\nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nIt's probably posted by a car driver who only walks recreationally.", ">\n\nIt is regrettable that a handful of asshole cyclists ruins everyone’s opinion of us. It really undermines the support needed to improve infrastructure for cycling. \nIf it is any help, when i ring my bell, I am doing so to avoid the alternatives of either yelling a warning or startling people. I normally exit the path and pass on the grass. I would say that most cyclist are the same. I don’t want you to get out of the way, I want you to know I am there. \nBut it only takes a couple assholes that think they own the path or the street. I have a cousin like this and it is difficult to convince him his is wrong and is putting himself and others in danger.", ">\n\nI think the a-holes are people that are only on a bike because it's the easiest thing for them, living where they do. You and those like you are on the bike because you love cycling.", ">\n\nMan, y'all are sad people. \n\"Get off the road!\" Okay, now we are on the sidewalk. \n\"Get off the sidewalk!\" Back in the road again. \n\"They need to ring their bells so we know they're coming! Btw I hate it when they ring their bells so I know they're coming.\"", ">\n\nTHANK YOU\nNobody is ever happy.", ">\n\nI live in Portland, OR, and the cyclists here are so fucking rude and entitled.", ">\n\nI live in not-Portland OR and visited once. I biked down the road. Could not believe how nice everyone was to me. Probably because they could tell I’m an outsider.", ">\n\nI meant how they treat everyone else who isn't on a bike, tbh.", ">\n\nCyclists shouldn’t be on sidewalks", ">\n\nI casually cycle in the summer. If I'm on a trail, I'll slow down and ring my bell if I see pedestrians, or stop and dismount if there's a lot of people or they don't notice me. Especially on the narrow trails in this woodlot I sometimes go to. \nThe problem is a lot of cyclists, especially in North America, but perhaps other places, just aren't respectful of others. They demand car drivers \"share the road\", but then ride in huge packs, lane split, don't signal turns, run stop signs and red lights, weave in and out of traffic, boot up busy sidewalks at 15-20mph, refuse to use provided bike lanes, etc. There's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles. Big problem is difficulty/lack of enforcement. Cops have to catch them in the act. Even then they're slippery devils since they're usually more mobile than a cruiser or beat cop on foot. This is why I support plating bikes to make them easily identifiable.", ">\n\n\nThere's like a gross sense of entitlement in the cycling community. Dude, you're still a vehicle. There's rules that apply to you, just like there are for cars and motorcycles.\n\nThat is the problem right there. They want to be treated equal to car owners, yet they do not abide by traffic rules, hence all the accidents.", ">\n\nI loathe cyclists. Selfish, entitled lycra lunatics.", ">\n\nBe honest, do you realize that it's possible to ride a bicycle and not be selfish, or entitled, or a lunatic, or not wear lycra?", ">\n\nThis thread is such a circlejerk, it's ridiculous.", ">\n\nThat's what I'm here for", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists, as it should be.", ">\n\nFalse", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. My feeling is the root cause is they don’t have their own infrastructure. Cars and peds do. So cyclists are always forced into a non ideal path. \nI’m aware they have rights to the road but cars and bikes really struggle to share an infrastructure clearly made for cars. \nSo if we invest in cycling infrastructure everyone would probably be happier.", ">\n\ndoubt it. In my city there is an asphalt bike path for miles that is like 8 feet wide. Smooth. No stop signs. Do they use it? nope they get their collective ass out on the street and I honestly don't have a clue why.\nIt defies logic. Safter, smooth, not cars/trunks, etc. Here they are out on the street just fiddle farting down a 45 mph road like they own it with a bike path 15 feet away with no one on it. The last guy I asked said \"It is my road as well you know\" that I ran up on while I was at a crossing while riding on the path myself. I just gave up trying to understand. Someone dies on that road every couple of months from bike or pedestrian strike with a vehicle. It was the whole reason they built the path....", ">\n\nMy experience si that, if the path is safe and contiguous, then bicyclists will flock to it. No bicyclist wants to ride in car traffic. Something else is going on there.", ">\n\nBack in the US, we had bike paths that were essentially just for exercise, not actually for getting around places, and the one in particular I'm thinking of included a bridge over fairly busy road that was a pain in the ass to walk across let alone bike across because it was such a tall bridge. I'd rather bike along the road than follow the path because it was so much more difficult to navigate.\nHere in Japan, there's not so much a bike path as there is a small section of road marked for bikes. The larger, busy roads have incredibly wide sidewalks that have room for both bikes and pedestrians (though the fucking pedestrians still walk in the bike section so I gotta look like the asshole for biking through the pedestrian path). But because everyone is used to cyclists and working around them, I generally can navigate through the small streets without ever worrying about cars hitting me, though lord knows I've annoyed more than one driver since the road to my apartment is rather busy on the way to and from work, and it isn't wide enough to allow them to go around if the other side is full of backed up traffic. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is usually full of high schoolers walking home on one side and full of utility poles on the other, so I can't use them. They just gotta suffer for the 30 seconds it takes me to get down the road.", ">\n\n\nbike paths that were essentially just for exercise\n\nSomeone else here expressed their belief that bicycling was just for recreation. It seems strange to me that there are people who are unaware of people who use bicycles for basic transportation to school, work, shopping, errands, etc. If we drive everywhere, then it can seem like the only option.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist, i hate pedestrians. Here in Germany, there is bike lanes, one part for bikes and one for pedestrians on traffic lights... etc. But the pedestrians just ignore them, form \"walls\" of people blocking the bike lane, dont look while crossing the bike lane. Even cars repect us more than you.", ">\n\nThis I understand. Experienced the same in Denmark", ">\n\nI also cringe a lot when I see the international Reddit community constantly praise us Dutch people for our biking culture. People have no idea how many traffic accidents we get that could have been avoided if we didn’t have cyclists EVERYWHERE who are barely aware of the traffic rules that also apply to them.\nPeople have no idea about how cyclists are almost always right according to our traffic laws, which makes them much more reckless. They cause millions of dollars of damage to cars (and pedestrians) each year, and barely ever face consequences for their irresponsible and reckless behavior in traffic.\nPeople don’t see how cyclists often block traffic because they like to cycle next to each other in pairs, and if you honk they get angry and sometimes even aggressive and try to break your side mirror if they feel like it.\nMany intersections have bicycle lanes that you need to check when making a turn when driving, even though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars. And guess what, cyclists still ride around fast and recklessly and making sure you don’t hit another car, cyclist AND pedestrian is all the job of one single driver.\nSo all in all, people from countries where driving is a relatively easy and chill thing to do, praise cycling culture in other countries. Try to drive here in busy traffic with thousands of cars AND (RECKLESS) CYCLISTS on the road and then tell me what it’s like.", ">\n\nIt would be much easier to sympathize with cars drivers if they did not need like 60% of the entire transit space leaving cyclists and pedestrians very little.\n\neven though the intersection is already super busy with lots of cars\n\nOfc, because cars are so large and need so much space.", ">\n\nI get that, but why is that my fault? I don’t do the city planning. Besides, cars are much larger than bicycles, so doesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\nBut even then, if you don’t want to have any sympathy for motorists, because city planners give them more space than others, that’s just weird. It’s not the motorist’s fault.", ">\n\n\ndoesn’t it make sense there’s more space needed for cars than for bicycles?\n\nWhy a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else? \nI just find it much harder to sympathize with the privileged group.", ">\n\n\"Why a valuable and scarce resource such as the public space in cities should be used predominantly to benefit car users while barring everyone else?\"\nBecause emergency services don't use bikes.", ">\n\nEmergency services do not need more than one lane.", ">\n\nClaaaaaarksoooooonnnnn", ">\n\nAs a driver, I hate you both", ">\n\nPedestrians are literally the worst. Anyone who has to walk more than 20 feet a day and not to their car are complete losers, and should be jailed on site.", ">\n\nOk fatty calm down", ">\n\nIn civilised countries we have cycling paths and cycling on the street is also possible as drivers aren't insane. So this seems rather like a problem of poor urban planning and poor driving culture than cycling itself.", ">\n\nCondescending much Jesus", ">\n\nI am a cyclist. I think my reaction is absolutely proportionate to the content of this post.", ">\n\nOh trust me, the smug aura of your comment left little doubt you were a cyclist", ">\n\nIdk about other places but here cyclists are constantly breaking the law and never getting ticketed for it. It makes no sense to me. I don’t think it’d make a huge difference but I do think some cyclists would think twice about disregarding the rules if those rules were actually enforced.", ">\n\nr/fuckcars ripping out their hair rn", ">\n\nIt's because cycling isn't regulated like motor vehicles are but they still get on the roads unlike pedestrians. So they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road that drivers have.\nThere's also some sort of hypocrisy they have where they believe drivers should give way to them because bikes are more vulnerable than cars while expecting pedestrians to give way to them because they're moving faster.", ">\n\n\nSo they don't have knowledge on the rules of the road\n\nPlenty do. Many cyclists also are automobilists. They just feel like they're exempted from respecting trafic rules because it's tiring to stop and go on a bike and they're slower an lighter than cars.", ">\n\nSure you got hit by a truck, but at least you managed to save yourself a little time and avoid waiting for a few seconds. Is what I'd say if they didn't then end up in the hospital", ">\n\nTwo things:\n\nStatistically bicycle riders break far less traffic laws than car drivers. source\nThe majority of street space is taken up by cars and everyone else (wheel chairs, walkers, bikers, scooters, etc) get pushed off to the side. So you are mad at the wrong people. CARS and the tremendous amount of public space they stole from us are the problem with streets in NYC.", ">\n\nStudy absolutely doesn’t apply to most of the world. Most places have no bike infrastructure and very little bike culture that would ingrain these laws in people. Also, bikes go on the road, same with scooters", ">\n\nThere's an accident here involving @ car running over a cyclist who crossed a red traffic light. And guess who take the blame?", ">\n\nLaughs in being dutch", ">\n\nNo matter where you are and who you are… driver or walker, scooter or flyer… we ALL hate cyclists.", ">\n\nI just get annoyed because they will ride double wide on a tight street, forcing you to go 60mph in a 45, on the opposite side of traffic, risking a head on collision. And yea, you have to do that, because otherwise cars behind you will start driving aggressive as well as the fact that your expecting all the cars to go at a bikes speed on the road.", ">\n\nPeople don't wanna hear it when it comes from automobilists because \"gngn cars are more dangerous and drivers are entitled\" but reality is cyclists are just the worst. Whether I'm on foot, driving a car, or riding a bicycle myself, cyclists are always always the ones being absolute public hazards. Heck, when I'm on my bike and stop at the stop sign on a cycle lane to let the cars go, they look at me as if I'm jesus or something. They even try to let me pass first because of how used they are to cyclists who just can't be bothered to respect the damn stop sign.", ">\n\nThat's because every country except for the Netherlands and Denmark have shit bicycle infrastructure.", ">\n\nSometimes I feel like I am the only one watching out for pedestrians. For example when there's a crosswalk coming up that goes over the bike path and there's someone waiting, I always yield and the person waiting is often surprised since most people on bicycles just carry on. So not all cyclists are like that.", ">\n\nAs a pedestrian, cyclist and driver, I hate taxis.", ">\n\nUm, cars definitely don't stop at crosswalks. As a pedestrian, I have almost no negative interactions with bicyclist and almost daily negative interactions with careless or impatient motorists. OP's post comes across as astroturfing for the car industry.", ">\n\nIn the UK, it's illegal to ride a bicycle on the pavement. With good reason. \nBut there's no denying that riding a bike on the road is laying your life on the line. Bike lanes are few and far between. When you do chance upon one, they'll just end without warning or any indication of where they're supposed to go.", ">\n\nOh most definitely fuck scooters. If they’re gonna be allowed on the sidewalk, maybe the maximum speed should be governed at no more than a brisk walking speed. So tired of being run down by crazy scooter Karens.", ">\n\nWhen I was a cyclist, I never rode on sidewalks. Even if there wasn’t much room on the side of the road. In the rare occasions that I did, i would ride my bike of the curb into the street rather than bother a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk. Even though I rode a road bike and riding off the curb almost always results with a broken spoke. \nBut I wasn’t the perfect cyclist either. I also did not stop at red lights or stop signs. But I didn’t just blow through them either. I would slow down as much as I could without stopping. If the way was clear I’d keep going, if not I would come to a full stop. \nI know it’s not an excuse, but to me I just didn’t give a fuck. I didn’t have a car and I had to bike 10 miles just to get to work. Whether it was sunny, hot as fuck, raining or snowing. It was torture sometimes and I just wanted to get where I was going. I tried my best to do it in a way that was safest for everyone.", ">\n\nI judge the actions of the individual not the mode of transport. I find it produces more accurate results.", ">\n\nApparently \"individuals alone are responsible for their own actions\" is the real unpopular opinion here.", ">\n\nIndeed 😀", ">\n\nIt just fascinates me how anyone can walk or drive through a city and genuinely think that bicycles are the problem. Look around you at every turn there are cars jamming the roads. Parked blocking things. Blocking pavements. Driving aggressively. Speeding. Failing to stop. Polluting the air. If they hit you, you are seriously injured or dead. This happens in the thousands. The city absolutely revolves around them.", ">\n\nYou are 100% right. Except I didn't say bicycles are the problem. I said i hate them. I said fuck cars too. I also said bicycles are one of the best alternative for trafic jam in cities.\nCities in Europe weren't made for cars nor bikes. So the problem is the fucking lazy greedy people who decide how to spend our tax money. The problem is people thinking they are all alone on the street. The problem is how stressed everybody is and how it become dangerous.\nNot because I hate how cyclists take revenge from drivers bullies to pedestrians makes me hate a transportation model itself.", ">\n\nIt just seems odd that people can really harp on about cyclists when they are such a trivial issue. Posts like this can get hundreds of replies. People tend to make excuses about cars.", ">\n\nWhere I live the cyclists just refuse to take the bikelane and either block the traffic because the rather use the street or they decide to use the pedestrian side of the sidewalk. The frickin bikelane is as big as the pedestrian one. There is no excuse not to use it and they still won't! One of them almost hit me if I hadn't dodge it. If the cyclist only drove a few inches to the left there would have been a bikelane and it wouldn't happened. Of course the person didn't apologize and just cursed at me.", ">\n\nSame problem where I am. City spent millions installing them only for the cyclists to never use them and continue being menaces on the roads and the sidewalks, even when there was literally a bike lane right there. The residents where I am petitioned the government to remove some of the bike lanes because why the hell would you install two dual bike lanes on one already small road if they’re going to keep using the road and the sidewalks anyway? We got one of them removed at least.", ">\n\nDid you stop to see the condition of the lane before assuming why cyclists don't use it?", ">\n\nI literally walk by it every single day and view it the moment I step outside my building, so yes? Why would you assume I didn't?", ">\n\nBecause most people on this sub keep saying their bike lanes are great, but from my own personal experience and that of other cyclists around the US it's exceedingly rare to find a city with bike infrastructure that does all of the following:\nA)Doesn't allow cars to park in the bike lanes \nB)Keeps bike lanes clear of debris and snow \nC) Has an extensive lane network that can take you anywhere in the city without having to leave the bike lane. \nD)Has protected lanes that aren't next to parked cars.\nE)Has intersections that prevent drivers from right hooking cyclists who are going straight.", ">\n\nCompletely agree - I was ran over almost 3 times in Berlin. \nAnd every single time I checked before crossing - but they just suddenly spawned right in the way", ">\n\nDid you cross at a designated crosswalk? As a cyclist the amount of times people just randomly meander across an active street instead of going to the zebra/lollipop crossing, and then get angry at me when I have to swerve out the way/ brake is comical.", ">\n\nI hate cyclists like that. I don’t have a car so my bike is my main source of transportation and I don’t ride like that. So far, from what I’ve noticed in my area, I’m the only one that follows the damn rules in my city xD", ">\n\nEspecially when they have a stupid fucking bell and say \"on the left\" then proceed to be on the right side of the trail running into you", ">\n\nHahahha \"is he coming on the left or should i go on the lef...\" BANG!!", ">\n\nI feel ya. The only thing I hate more than cyclists is electric scooters.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists and it's for a simple reason. They think they can do whatever the hell they want. They switch between a pedestrian, a cyclist and a vehicle deciding on the fly whatever rules they feel like following with no accountability. \nOne minute they are skipping traffic, then they are deciding to cross at a crosswalk instead of following traffic. And the sidewalks are bike lanes if that's more convenient.", ">\n\nThat is not it. Cyclists break the law less often than motorists.", ">\n\nWhich law? Do you see?", ">\n\nI see posts like this constantly. It blows my mind people can just choose one thing that is so insignificant to scapegoat. \nThey assume people on bikes don’t also walk, drive, etc like we are essentially subhuman for doing exercise / running errands in this way because they are inconvenienced for a few seconds. You realize we are human like you , right?\nPeople tell us to ride bicycles on the sidewalk when it’s illegal while others say not too. It’s usually against the law.\nThey tell us to ride closer to the right side of the road , so we get hit by a car door and yelled at again. \nThey’re mad that we give a verbal signal that we’re coming up on the left even though that’s the law. \nNow that I’m in Colorado I’m getting yelled at for the Idaho stop, which is completely legal. We yield to stop signs and temporarily stop at red lights only if it’s clear. It’s all to REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC. \nKeep in mind we are riding bicycles which in its own right REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC. \n80% of car trips are within 3 miles from your house. Everyone that rides a bike keeps you from being stuck behind them in traffic for longer then the 20 seconds you’re currently inconvenienced. It’s also mean parking closer to the front door of a shop. \nSo far I’ve had family members die from hit and runs and drunk drivers, but somehow cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road today?! It’s not adding up.\nWhat is this really about?", ">\n\nI'm sorry for your losses. I never said bikers are the most dangerous things on the road. Saying this would be stupid. The problem in my city is the lack of respect from cyclists to pedestrians in a general way. I'm not even talking about drivers against EVERYTHING ON THE STREET.", ">\n\nI go out of my way to be respectful to everybody, and I’ve had nothing but kindness and respect from other cyclists .\nYou wanna blame everybody on a bicycle for all your problems when it’s really just about a few people who disrespected you. \nCyclists are drivers, walkers, etc. do they just jump on a bicycle and instantly become disrespectful?\nStill doesn’t make any logical sense.", ">\n\nDude you just don't get it.. i understand biking is your life.. but come on.\nI use to bike 40km per day to work. \nI don't have problems with people jumping on bikes. I simply hate the ones that are disrespectful.\nIs it too hard to understand? Just me venting coz I feel like a lot of bikers think they are on top of the citizen pyramid? \nI'm not venting about the system here, nor about cars.. just about some (yes some) bikers.\nAnd please there is no need to beg for upvotes on fuckcars how old are you?", ">\n\nCompletely agree! A cycling license (similar to driving) should be required. Far too many cyclist who doesn’t know (and those who don’t just give a F) about traffic rules.", ">\n\nFuck traveling in general", ">\n\nYa. Where are our transporters! \nSorry had to go full nerd.", ">\n\nYou just insulted a whole country.", ">\n\nThe Netherlands? It's ok", ">\n\nOk", ">\n\nThe real issue here is lacking cycling infrastructure.", ">\n\nDefinitely a major issue.\nBut part of the issue is definitely cyclists who prioritize their own speed over the safety and welfare of everyone around them. It's like they are all BMW drivers, deep down, and just don't want to yield to or slow down for anyone.", ">\n\nI'm sure there are, assholes exist in all vehicle types.", ">\n\nThe problem isn't the cyclists here, it's the lacking infrastructure.", ">\n\nWe shouldn't have to build infrastructure so people can partake in recreation. I find that comment extremely arrogant. Why on earth do cyclists deserve to have their recreation glorified and catered to??", ">\n\nRecreation? Ah yes, cycling is only for recreation.", ">\n\nWell, where I live that its the ONLY purpose. I'm 17 miles from any city municipality. Nobody is biking here to go to the grocery store or work.", ">\n\nNot everything is about you personally.", ">\n\nI completely agree! Cyclists have a lot of rights on the roads, and are very vocal about them, but think they can do whatever the fuck they want at roundabouts and pedestrian crossings.", ">\n\nCyclists know thar neither the pavement nor the road are theirs because motorists and pedestrians like you are both screaming at them all the time. And I swear you'd be angrier if they didn't give a polite warning that they're coming toward you. \nCyclists who breeze through crossings instead of stopping are a minority, much like cyclists are a minority in general, and you can't judge an entire group that aren't adequately represented", ">\n\ndon't blame all bicyclists for the shitty ones.\nthat would be like saying every person who drives a car is an asshole. or every person who walks on the sidewalk is an asshole.\nsome people are good at getting around. other people are jerks. don't blame everyone for the actions of a small subset of people.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t that the sentiment over that the popular sub r/fuckcars? The generalization is already being perpetuated from cyclists and “urbanists” in their war against cars.", ">\n\nNot really. That sub mostly hates the focus on cars when designing infrastructure, as well as the forced dependency on cars in our modern world. Not individual drivers.", ">\n\nSure about that? It’s mostly just a bitch-fest about driver errors to further their political agenda.", ">\n\nYea, I'm pretty sure.", ">\n\nReally weird way to get there if that’s the case. Alienating a large portion of the population (car drivers, car riders, people that depend on vehicles for the delivery of goods and services) is not how you get them on your side.", ">\n\nI don't think that's their goal in the first place. It's just a reddit sub.", ">\n\nAs a car driver I also hate cyclists. Saw one on a 45mph the other day despite there being a sidewalk AND a bikelane", ">\n\n45 mph isn't a speed for bike lane or sidewalk. Street is", ">\n\nAs a driver, I concur.", ">\n\nGF lives in a college town. It’s as if there’s some kinda fuckin’ death wish among the student cycling population", ">\n\nAs a [insert anyone, including cyclist], I hate cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a car driver, I too hate cyclists.\nI don't care who has 'right of way'. I'm in a car, you're not. If we collide, regardless of fault, you're the one that dies.\nDo you really want to die on the hill that says \"i can bike on the rode b/c it's legal\"?\nI might be in jail, but you're still dead.\nBikes don't belong on public roads. Unless there's a bike lane - aka, a pathway designed specifically for bikers.\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.", ">\n\n\nIt's FAR SAFER to bike on the sidewalk.\n\nAlso Illegal.", ">\n\nI hate bikers on trails. They're supposed to stop and let hikers by but they never do. They go by so freakin' fast too. It's like come on now!", ">\n\nOMG YES !! I completely agree. Every time i tried to explain this to a friend, they would always look at me like I am crazy for thinking such a thing. But as I walk for 45 minutes every days, it became a reality you can't ignore... I can't count how many times I nearly got hit by a cyclist, it happens every other week. I am starting to think that cyclists should have to go through a \"course\" to learn the basics of using the streets x)\n(Sorry for mistakes, not native here 'x) )", ">\n\nDo you wear headphones or similar when you walk? The only pedestrians I have come close to hitting are usually not paying attention and walk in front of me or do not hear my bell as they are wearing headphones. This is all on shared paths and roads not footpaths.", ">\n\nDo you also come close to hitting deaf people?", ">\n\nProbably not. I expect they pay attention when they are out and about.", ">\n\n\"I saw a few of those people do a bad thing and now I judge all of those people by that bad thing. All of those people are bad!\" /sarcasm\nI can do that with any group of people and reach the same incorrect conclusion. The facts are that cyclists break the law at lower rates than motorists.\nFor pedestrains to squabble with cyclists over the few scraps of infrastructure that Car Culture lets us have is a distraction from the real issue: Motorists get virtually all of the infrastructure, even though everyone pays for it.", ">\n\nas a cyclist, I hate pedestrians.\nMy city put in these nice protected bicycle lanes so bikes don't have to ride inches from cars, and boy don't those pedestrians just LOVE using the bike lane as a queuing up spot for the crosswalks. it's just so nice and convenient to get 5 more feet closer to your goal, isn't it? Those bicycles can stop and wait...and feel free to swear at them like THEY are the ones in the wrong.\nBicycles and pedestrians are natural enemies, that's never going to change. There can be only one.", ">\n\nPedestrian are the worst.\nWhen i started using bicicle I was very polite: brake, ring, ask for permission. And what the large amount of people do? Ignore u, watch u in the eyes and take a step in the fucking middle of the trail (many many times! for real!), shout at you just because u exist. So.... At some point is fuck you all, I'm coming go out of the way. That's it", ">\n\nIt's the powered vehicles that kill most pedestrians.\nBut, sure, cyclists blahblah...", ">\n\nTo you yours and to mine mine; I hate car users and their ilk who are filled with wonton waste and hate for all else who dare travel near them. I stop at all lights, halt for all signs, use a mirror, lights, and hand signals, pull over for cars coming my way so long as there is any room, and use what little biking infrastructure is available to me.\nMy taxes are waste and paid in folly for they assuredly go in portion to your reckless use of a powerful machine and not to my own reckless use of a small self-propelled stick on two wheels to separate lanes and keep them maintained. No, no, I must settle for the gutter and cry glee for that and be ashamed to move to the sidewalk when it suddenly ends and continues a block later down the road. \nFuck your car, your roads, and your selfish desire to pave the world and create cities with 60% of their coverage dedicated to driving a car, parking a car, and separating the world into places for cars and otherwise. You who drive faster and faster, in bigger and bigger cars. I loath you as you loath mine.", ">\n\nCyclists on the road don’t have to pass the same test as vehicles on the road, which is why they are so bad. If there was a test in order to cycle on the road then i think it would be alot better", ">\n\n\nI will never drive nor park on a bike lane, always look into the mirror to be careful of one of you monkeys. So why can't you be careful when us peasants are walking?\n\nThis is dumb. Obviously there are plenty of cyclists who are careful and courteous about your safety. That's part of what a bell or \"watch out!\" (generally \"On your left\") is doing for you. And just because you are courteous to them doesn't mean everyone is. Is every driver a douchebag just because some of them crowd cyclists when and where the cyclist has the right to the road? No.", ">\n\nThe difference here is that generally car drivers are going to be held accountable for bad driving. This is in the form of dash cams, ANPR and red light cameras which catch drivers doing bad things and they can receive a fine or points on their licence. Cyclists currently can't be held accountable if they jump red lights or hit a car or pedestrian as there isn't anything that helps identify them. This is a big issue in cities. I live and work in London and see many cyclists jumping red lights and weaving around pedestrians crossing. Cars can't do this as most traffic lights have red light cameras that would catch this.\nDrivers as a collective (including me) are in no way perfect or even held to account 100% of the time, but I believe we need a system for cyclists to be held accountable too", ">\n\nIf you followed the laws and stayed out of the bike lane as a pedestrian there would be no problem.", ">\n\nIf bicyclists followed the laws and stopped ignoring street signs/traffic lights there would be no problem.", ">\n\nDon’t see how this address the problem with pedestrians in bike lanes.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t hate cyclists if they didn’t act like road laws don’t apply to em in the city where I live. I’ve seen cyclists not even stop at red lights even with an almost full intersection, and ride the wrong way down one ways.\nEdit: I do wish the city where I live had more bike lanes but yeah.", ">\n\nIf you're going to hate someone, maybe hate the people actually doing those things.\nIf I see someone on a bike rush through a short break on a red light in an otherwise busy intersection, I shake my head and think they are an idiot. I think this while waiting for the light to turn green on my bike.\nSimilarly, when a car illegally stops in a bike lane (which happens ALL THE TIME by the way), I don't turn around and blame the cars moving along legally in the adjacent lane.", ">\n\nTbh I don’t hate bicyclists that follow rules but I barely see em where I’m at. Perhaps due to lack of infrastructure but I do appreciate the occasional bicyclist that does follow the rules. I get mad at cars that use the bike lane too, that’s for cyclists.", ">\n\nYou don't remember them.", ">\n\nI don’t see em too often tbh, hopefully that changes tho. As much as I dislike cyclists who do dangerous shit I’d hate to see one get hurt for any reason.", ">\n\nI bet your fat.", ">\n\nOf course I fart !", ">\n\nA common take and a stupid one.\nThere are good and bad drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Hating any of them as a group because some of them do bad things is just dumb.", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Drivers pedestrians other cyclists. They're a scourge.", ">\n\nEvery word of this is pure wisdom.", ">\n\nBe careful you’ll anger r/fuckcars", ">\n\n\nI understand bicycles is one if the best alternative to city traffic. I mean fuck cars. But fuck you too.\n\n\"I understand that more housing is necessary to remedy homelessness and stop a really stupid crisis. But fuck housing, especially anywhere near me. Yeah, I'm that petty.\"", ">\n\nI once almost got hit by a cyclist who failed to stop at a stop sign", ">\n\nI hate cyclists as someone who is a pedestrian 80% of the time and a motorist the other 20% (when I have to go somewhere that would be too long to walk, especially in winter).\nWhere I am, cyclists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be considered vehicles so they can be on the major roads, but they also want to be a pedestrian so they can be on the sidewalk. On the roads they go dangerously under the speed limit and also ride right in the middle so no one can pass them. On the sidewalks they barrel past pedestrians and knock them over. One almost hit me and my dog because they came barrelling out of nowhere without watching where they’re going. They want to be everything but follow none of the rules.\nThey wanted bike lines, and then when they got them, they continued to not use them and just road on the main roads or on the sidewalks even when the bike lanes were right there next to them.\nI live in a Canadian city that wants so badly to be a mini Europe, including by getting more people to bike, but everyone fails to take into account that we are deep-frozen for half the year. We are not Amsterdam or some European city with a comparatively mild climate! So they shut down all these roads and build awful bike lanes that can only be used half the year and that become a hazard in the winter with cars sliding into them due to ice or being surprised by them because they’re poorly marked with concrete that gets covered by the deep, 60+cm snow. The only cyclists who bike during the deep winter are those crazy people with the big fat tires, or occasionally you’ll get someone with those terrifyingly tiny, no-tread European tires (not even a mountain bike’s tires—most people here have mountain bikes) and they’ll go sliding into everyone because even with the bike lanes they refuse to use them.\nI just hate the entitlement of cyclists. They literally want to be both car and pedestrian and have all the privileges of both groups while following none of the rules. They’re a danger and a nuisance to everyone around them where I am and I wish my city would stop pandering to them. We’re never going to be Europe! We cannot be a European biking city! It’s too cold! It’ll be below -25C for weeks and months at a time! Why are we constantly trying to peddle to them when half the year it’s completely unfeasible??\nThe only good thing I can say about cyclists is at least they’re exercising, which is more than I can say for the people on the scooters, many of whom should definitely be walking.", ">\n\nMost cars I’ve driven came equipped with brakes and a steering wheel. I don’t see the problem", ">\n\nWhy do you hate all cyclists when only some of them are rude/dangerous?", ">\n\nI recently got a bike in Japan and there isn't any room on the street to ride my bike. Most people are fine when I'm on the sidewalk, however, the worst ones are groups of 2 or more who try and take up as much space as possible allowing nobody to pass. Same with the people who constantly switch between the left and right side of the sidewalk. It's really annoying to see how little spacial awareness they have.", ">\n\nAs an occasional cyclist, I don't like you either.", ">\n\nI biked everywhere.....when I was a child. I'm an adult now and have an automobile. They are pretty neat.", ">\n\nCope hehe", ">\n\nWhen I used to have to walk to work I’d walk on the sidewalk and listen to music and one time this guy zipped right by me yelling almost knocking me over and flipped me off?? They act like they don’t have breaks lmao", ">\n\nholy smokes! glad you're ok", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even cyclists.", ">\n\nAnd here i thought why the f pediatrician hate cyclists", ">\n\nEveryone hates cyclists. Even other cyclists.", ">\n\nAs a cyclist this thread is hilarious", ">\n\nAnyone got recommendations for how to be a nice, considerate cyclist besides being careful and non-entitled? I plan on starting when it gets warm outside.", ">\n\nJust treat people like humans and expect them to scream at you anyway.", ">\n\nNot unpopular", ">\n\nWhen I drive to work, I obey most of the rules. I just can't drive on some roads. That would either kill me at some point or I'd slow down a whole 60 km/h lane that's packed with traffic. When riding on the sidewalk, I always stop or get off my bike if it gets too crowded or the sidewalk narrows. But when no one is around I just keep driving normally, just slower than usual. I try to stay alert at all times and let everyone pass because I know I'm wrong here.\nAt one point there is a one-way street I'm not allowed to drive on, but as my alternatives are the same 60km/h road (but now also with rails) or a crowded sidewalk, I prefer the one-way street with maybe 4 cars per hour that I can easily avoid. After that there is finally a bike path until I get to work. There would be a legal route, but it would take twice, if not triple, the time.\nI also hate reckless cyclists. They have already endangered me and are often unfriendly assholes. I just don't have a death wish and don't want to drive a route in an hour if 20 minutes are possible in a safe way (If the brain gets used).", ">\n\nCyclists don’t care because unless they get injured there are no real consequences for their actions.\nI think that any vehicle, with or without any type of motor, should require a license to operate on a public roadway. Road legal bikes need to be held to quality standards, like cars, and should also be registered. If you wish to ride one on a public roadway it should have a number plate on it. You should have to pass a rider’s ed course proving that you know the rules of the road. There should be a test proving that you can control the vehicle and operate it safely, same as a car or motorcycle.", ">\n\nYeah I’ve nearly been run over from behind by cyclists on sidewalks too many times", ">\n\nI don’t mind normal, law-abiding cyclists at all. I just despise the ones that think they can choose whether to act like a car or pedestrian whenever they feel like it. Or worse, they don’t know the actual laws but think they are special just because they are riding a bike.", ">\n\nCyclist have it both ways which isn’t fair. They can drive on the road AND the sidewalk and use pedestrian crossings when they feel like it. It’s like they have no road rules once on a bike. \nOn the sidewalk I have to get outta the way? No bikeperson. You shouldn’t even be on the sidewalk in the first place! Maybe if you’re under 10 but otherwise drive your vehicle on the road like all other adults!", ">\n\nE scooters are worse, they should be banned", ">\n\nThis is the most popular opinion I have seen on this subreddit.", ">\n\nAs an everything I hate cyclists", ">\n\nLove the passive aggression in this post", ">\n\nYes they are obnoxious. Most American cities were designed for pedestrians and horses. Cars and bicycles really shouldn’t be there.", ">\n\nI think you hate bad cyclists. Just like drivers, you don't really process the normal/good ones as anything noticeable, and only remember the bad ones.", ">\n\nThis is a stupid thread, It seems to crop up every couple of weeks.", ">\n\nAre motorcycles drivers cyclists too or motorists?", ">\n\ncars stop at crosswalks? sounds fake.", ">\n\nAs a former cyclist, I hate cyclists. Not all. But a lot. Just last saturday I was driving along my semi-rural road which has become very popular with cyclists in the last 12 years or so, and I spotted a group of cyclists who were riding in a swarm with 3 or 4 cyclists 2 or 3 feet into the car lane. Knowing such groups can be very dangerous, I slowed down. Sure enough, two riders decided to pass the rest of the group, sliding a good 6 feet or more into the car lane. Had I been going the speed limit, I very likely would have hit them both and possibly killed either one. And I see this sort of thing happen all the time. \nIn my county (330,000 pop approx) there are one or wo cyclists that die each year. Frankly it's a miracle that it isn't more. \nI used to love riding. I would do it every weekend. But the spandex brigade ruined it.", ">\n\nTotally I got hit by one of these idiots a couple of years ago, he was riding the bike lane against traffic, I was watching traffic, I don't have eyes in the back of my head so he hit me. He fell and threw a tantrum I just said I was sorry and walked away. Looking back, I should have beaten his bitch ass.", ">\n\nBike lanes are for bikes. Sidewalks are for pedestrians. Don't fucking mix these up....many people do, from both groups.", ">\n\nAs long as they stay off the sidewalks, I’m fine with cyclists. Cars are worse.", ">\n\nFuck you too. Grumpy bastard", ">\n\nI wish 😭", ">\n\nI like to walk with my earbuds in, so I can’t hear when I cyclist is yelling at me. They get really mad sometimes 🙄", ">\n\nAs a driver and sometimes cyclist, I cannot stand pedestrians. They're always walking up to a crosswalk and pressing the button and then strolling oh so casually like they're in a flower garden. Heck I've seen then walk up to a location where there's NOT a crosswalk and step right in the path of traffic expecting all of them to slam on their brakes for little old them.\nNonsense. When I lived in the city and had to cross the street, I WAITED until it was reasonably clear and then QUICKLY zipped across. Why should all of those cars have to wait for little old me? That's selfish. Those people in those cars are on their way to somewhere too.\nSpare me the usual response \"we have right of way\" I'd argue you shouldn't. \"What about people in wheelchairs etc\" those people I saw were young people walking just fine. They're just too slow and, due in part to the right of way laws, entitled. Eff em, I say.", ">\n\n“Cars stop at stop walks” lol if you’re lucky my city cars blow through stop walks all the time. Takes about 2-3 cars before one will finally stop and let people walk through", ">\n\nI travelled a lot and it is true. Few countries have drivers who stop at crosswalks. Fortunately where I live, people do stop.", ">\n\nPedestrians are the worst in my experiences. You can have a separate road, bike lane, and sidewalk....yet the MAJORITY of pedestrians will walk on the bike lane and not the side walk (that's literally 1 foot away)....well, I don't want to ride on the sidewalk, so I'm stuck riding at a walking pace in a sea of clueless pedestrians who INSIST on walking in the bike lane (again, despite the side walk that's literally right there). Maybe pedestrians should use the sidewalk instead of the bike lane if they don't want he bikes to use the sidewalk. I stay on the bike lane, but it'd honestly be safer to use the sidewalk since the majority of the pedestrians insist on walking in the bike lane) \n(I even have video of this for anyone who doesn't believe me).", ">\n\nI used to have to go to these bike committee meetings where the biking infrastructure in our city was being planned. Cyclists are unhinged on bikes and in chairs.", ">\n\n“Fuck scooters too”\nA-fucking-men. Recounting a couple weeks back where I had to step off sidewalk into a bike lane to avoid a group of children walking down sidewalk in Fenway. \nSome fat bitch comes tooling around the corner on a scooter and says “it’s a fucking bike lane!”\n🤡", ">\n\nThey either need to follow the rules of the road and stay off the sidewalk, or don’t follow them and stay off the road. You don’t get both, assholes!", ">\n\nI think cyclist need to understand that certain areas just shouldn’t be cycled. Many roads are dangerous to cyclist, bike lanes many times are worthless. Ringing a Bell alerting walkers to move is very obnoxious. If there’s not a safe place for the cars bikes and pedestrians to share then stop biking there cuz your just an inconvience. Not to mention how obnoxious they are getting around in a car, so worried they’ll just make a slight movement in a small bike lane and tire swirves on road and hits a car" ]

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[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards" ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system." ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier" ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want." ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe." ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person." ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person.", ">\n\nSo... there's a concept of a moral hazard. \nThere's literally no way for an individual to be certain that their prostitute is not being coerced/trafficked. Even if there are some special circumstances where it might be unlikely, certainty is still impossible, and most people frequenting prostitutes are not in those special circumstances.\nSomeone using their services is therefore extremely likely to be comfortable with risking that they are unknowingly raping someone. \nGenerally speaking, people find that disgusting." ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person.", ">\n\nSo... there's a concept of a moral hazard. \nThere's literally no way for an individual to be certain that their prostitute is not being coerced/trafficked. Even if there are some special circumstances where it might be unlikely, certainty is still impossible, and most people frequenting prostitutes are not in those special circumstances.\nSomeone using their services is therefore extremely likely to be comfortable with risking that they are unknowingly raping someone. \nGenerally speaking, people find that disgusting.", ">\n\nIf you eat chocolate (even the stuff with the fair trade sticker) then there's no guarantee that it hasn't come from slave farms which are not uncommon. If you eat chocolate throughout your life then you are almost definitely contributing to slavery. If you visit a prostitute regularly then the chance they're being exploited is anywhere from functioninally 0% to 100%. So why treat the John who might be discerning with scorn and not the chocolate eater who is a much safer bet in having contributed to coerced labour." ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person.", ">\n\nSo... there's a concept of a moral hazard. \nThere's literally no way for an individual to be certain that their prostitute is not being coerced/trafficked. Even if there are some special circumstances where it might be unlikely, certainty is still impossible, and most people frequenting prostitutes are not in those special circumstances.\nSomeone using their services is therefore extremely likely to be comfortable with risking that they are unknowingly raping someone. \nGenerally speaking, people find that disgusting.", ">\n\nIf you eat chocolate (even the stuff with the fair trade sticker) then there's no guarantee that it hasn't come from slave farms which are not uncommon. If you eat chocolate throughout your life then you are almost definitely contributing to slavery. If you visit a prostitute regularly then the chance they're being exploited is anywhere from functioninally 0% to 100%. So why treat the John who might be discerning with scorn and not the chocolate eater who is a much safer bet in having contributed to coerced labour.", ">\n\nIt's worth trying to avoid those situations, but ultimately it's a very false equivalence to hold people responsible for the actions of others, vs. their own personal actions.\nWhen you buy chocolate, you're not actually holding a gun to a slave, someone else is. The right answer to that is to lobby for worker protections for imported goods, and to try to end involuntary servitude within your country as well. \nWhen you have sex with a trafficked person, you personally literally raped them. If you don't have good evidence to know they aren't trafficked, you're personally ok with the possibility you're going to personally rape them. \nBoth might be considered bad. But it's a false equivalence.\nAnd sure... if someone is paying someone for sex when they are personal friends with them, and interact with them outside of prostitution enough to personally know that they aren't being trafficked... and you're sure they aren't lying, scorning them more than at most some light ribbing isn't justified. It's not like \"sugar daddies\" aren't a thing as well. At the very least much less disapprobation would be appropriate." ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person.", ">\n\nSo... there's a concept of a moral hazard. \nThere's literally no way for an individual to be certain that their prostitute is not being coerced/trafficked. Even if there are some special circumstances where it might be unlikely, certainty is still impossible, and most people frequenting prostitutes are not in those special circumstances.\nSomeone using their services is therefore extremely likely to be comfortable with risking that they are unknowingly raping someone. \nGenerally speaking, people find that disgusting.", ">\n\nIf you eat chocolate (even the stuff with the fair trade sticker) then there's no guarantee that it hasn't come from slave farms which are not uncommon. If you eat chocolate throughout your life then you are almost definitely contributing to slavery. If you visit a prostitute regularly then the chance they're being exploited is anywhere from functioninally 0% to 100%. So why treat the John who might be discerning with scorn and not the chocolate eater who is a much safer bet in having contributed to coerced labour.", ">\n\nIt's worth trying to avoid those situations, but ultimately it's a very false equivalence to hold people responsible for the actions of others, vs. their own personal actions.\nWhen you buy chocolate, you're not actually holding a gun to a slave, someone else is. The right answer to that is to lobby for worker protections for imported goods, and to try to end involuntary servitude within your country as well. \nWhen you have sex with a trafficked person, you personally literally raped them. If you don't have good evidence to know they aren't trafficked, you're personally ok with the possibility you're going to personally rape them. \nBoth might be considered bad. But it's a false equivalence.\nAnd sure... if someone is paying someone for sex when they are personal friends with them, and interact with them outside of prostitution enough to personally know that they aren't being trafficked... and you're sure they aren't lying, scorning them more than at most some light ribbing isn't justified. It's not like \"sugar daddies\" aren't a thing as well. At the very least much less disapprobation would be appropriate.", ">\n\nIn both cases, there is a customer receiving a service provided by a potentially enslaved person. They are morally equivalent. It makes no sense to say “sure I bought the slavery chocolate, but you can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”" ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person.", ">\n\nSo... there's a concept of a moral hazard. \nThere's literally no way for an individual to be certain that their prostitute is not being coerced/trafficked. Even if there are some special circumstances where it might be unlikely, certainty is still impossible, and most people frequenting prostitutes are not in those special circumstances.\nSomeone using their services is therefore extremely likely to be comfortable with risking that they are unknowingly raping someone. \nGenerally speaking, people find that disgusting.", ">\n\nIf you eat chocolate (even the stuff with the fair trade sticker) then there's no guarantee that it hasn't come from slave farms which are not uncommon. If you eat chocolate throughout your life then you are almost definitely contributing to slavery. If you visit a prostitute regularly then the chance they're being exploited is anywhere from functioninally 0% to 100%. So why treat the John who might be discerning with scorn and not the chocolate eater who is a much safer bet in having contributed to coerced labour.", ">\n\nIt's worth trying to avoid those situations, but ultimately it's a very false equivalence to hold people responsible for the actions of others, vs. their own personal actions.\nWhen you buy chocolate, you're not actually holding a gun to a slave, someone else is. The right answer to that is to lobby for worker protections for imported goods, and to try to end involuntary servitude within your country as well. \nWhen you have sex with a trafficked person, you personally literally raped them. If you don't have good evidence to know they aren't trafficked, you're personally ok with the possibility you're going to personally rape them. \nBoth might be considered bad. But it's a false equivalence.\nAnd sure... if someone is paying someone for sex when they are personal friends with them, and interact with them outside of prostitution enough to personally know that they aren't being trafficked... and you're sure they aren't lying, scorning them more than at most some light ribbing isn't justified. It's not like \"sugar daddies\" aren't a thing as well. At the very least much less disapprobation would be appropriate.", ">\n\nIn both cases, there is a customer receiving a service provided by a potentially enslaved person. They are morally equivalent. It makes no sense to say “sure I bought the slavery chocolate, but you can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”", ">\n\n\nyou can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”\n\nThe slavers actions are distinct from the consumers' actions for most things. \nThis is an actual important difference when it comes to prostitution. \nIgnoring that fundamental difference doesn't make it go away, and it's entirely reasonable for someone to make that distinction." ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person.", ">\n\nSo... there's a concept of a moral hazard. \nThere's literally no way for an individual to be certain that their prostitute is not being coerced/trafficked. Even if there are some special circumstances where it might be unlikely, certainty is still impossible, and most people frequenting prostitutes are not in those special circumstances.\nSomeone using their services is therefore extremely likely to be comfortable with risking that they are unknowingly raping someone. \nGenerally speaking, people find that disgusting.", ">\n\nIf you eat chocolate (even the stuff with the fair trade sticker) then there's no guarantee that it hasn't come from slave farms which are not uncommon. If you eat chocolate throughout your life then you are almost definitely contributing to slavery. If you visit a prostitute regularly then the chance they're being exploited is anywhere from functioninally 0% to 100%. So why treat the John who might be discerning with scorn and not the chocolate eater who is a much safer bet in having contributed to coerced labour.", ">\n\nIt's worth trying to avoid those situations, but ultimately it's a very false equivalence to hold people responsible for the actions of others, vs. their own personal actions.\nWhen you buy chocolate, you're not actually holding a gun to a slave, someone else is. The right answer to that is to lobby for worker protections for imported goods, and to try to end involuntary servitude within your country as well. \nWhen you have sex with a trafficked person, you personally literally raped them. If you don't have good evidence to know they aren't trafficked, you're personally ok with the possibility you're going to personally rape them. \nBoth might be considered bad. But it's a false equivalence.\nAnd sure... if someone is paying someone for sex when they are personal friends with them, and interact with them outside of prostitution enough to personally know that they aren't being trafficked... and you're sure they aren't lying, scorning them more than at most some light ribbing isn't justified. It's not like \"sugar daddies\" aren't a thing as well. At the very least much less disapprobation would be appropriate.", ">\n\nIn both cases, there is a customer receiving a service provided by a potentially enslaved person. They are morally equivalent. It makes no sense to say “sure I bought the slavery chocolate, but you can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”", ">\n\n\nyou can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”\n\nThe slavers actions are distinct from the consumers' actions for most things. \nThis is an actual important difference when it comes to prostitution. \nIgnoring that fundamental difference doesn't make it go away, and it's entirely reasonable for someone to make that distinction.", ">\n\nThe slaver and consumer are different people who take different actions in the prostitution scenario. The consumer in both scenarios is taking the risk of being immoral. If I force you to be my slave that’s still immoral whether or not I put you to work in my brothel or mine or factory or fishing boat. And if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever, it’s equivalent." ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person.", ">\n\nSo... there's a concept of a moral hazard. \nThere's literally no way for an individual to be certain that their prostitute is not being coerced/trafficked. Even if there are some special circumstances where it might be unlikely, certainty is still impossible, and most people frequenting prostitutes are not in those special circumstances.\nSomeone using their services is therefore extremely likely to be comfortable with risking that they are unknowingly raping someone. \nGenerally speaking, people find that disgusting.", ">\n\nIf you eat chocolate (even the stuff with the fair trade sticker) then there's no guarantee that it hasn't come from slave farms which are not uncommon. If you eat chocolate throughout your life then you are almost definitely contributing to slavery. If you visit a prostitute regularly then the chance they're being exploited is anywhere from functioninally 0% to 100%. So why treat the John who might be discerning with scorn and not the chocolate eater who is a much safer bet in having contributed to coerced labour.", ">\n\nIt's worth trying to avoid those situations, but ultimately it's a very false equivalence to hold people responsible for the actions of others, vs. their own personal actions.\nWhen you buy chocolate, you're not actually holding a gun to a slave, someone else is. The right answer to that is to lobby for worker protections for imported goods, and to try to end involuntary servitude within your country as well. \nWhen you have sex with a trafficked person, you personally literally raped them. If you don't have good evidence to know they aren't trafficked, you're personally ok with the possibility you're going to personally rape them. \nBoth might be considered bad. But it's a false equivalence.\nAnd sure... if someone is paying someone for sex when they are personal friends with them, and interact with them outside of prostitution enough to personally know that they aren't being trafficked... and you're sure they aren't lying, scorning them more than at most some light ribbing isn't justified. It's not like \"sugar daddies\" aren't a thing as well. At the very least much less disapprobation would be appropriate.", ">\n\nIn both cases, there is a customer receiving a service provided by a potentially enslaved person. They are morally equivalent. It makes no sense to say “sure I bought the slavery chocolate, but you can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”", ">\n\n\nyou can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”\n\nThe slavers actions are distinct from the consumers' actions for most things. \nThis is an actual important difference when it comes to prostitution. \nIgnoring that fundamental difference doesn't make it go away, and it's entirely reasonable for someone to make that distinction.", ">\n\nThe slaver and consumer are different people who take different actions in the prostitution scenario. The consumer in both scenarios is taking the risk of being immoral. If I force you to be my slave that’s still immoral whether or not I put you to work in my brothel or mine or factory or fishing boat. And if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever, it’s equivalent.", ">\n\n\nAnd if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever , it’s equivalent.\n\nThis is where the false equivalence comes in. \nSomeone making products with slave labor is not renting out a slave to the consumer so that they consumer can force them to perform mining for the consumer. They are enslaving the labor to create a product, and selling the product. Products don't have rights to violate. The only person violating the rights of the slave is the slaver.\nSomeone trafficking a victim is renting out that victim so that the consumer can rape them." ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person.", ">\n\nSo... there's a concept of a moral hazard. \nThere's literally no way for an individual to be certain that their prostitute is not being coerced/trafficked. Even if there are some special circumstances where it might be unlikely, certainty is still impossible, and most people frequenting prostitutes are not in those special circumstances.\nSomeone using their services is therefore extremely likely to be comfortable with risking that they are unknowingly raping someone. \nGenerally speaking, people find that disgusting.", ">\n\nIf you eat chocolate (even the stuff with the fair trade sticker) then there's no guarantee that it hasn't come from slave farms which are not uncommon. If you eat chocolate throughout your life then you are almost definitely contributing to slavery. If you visit a prostitute regularly then the chance they're being exploited is anywhere from functioninally 0% to 100%. So why treat the John who might be discerning with scorn and not the chocolate eater who is a much safer bet in having contributed to coerced labour.", ">\n\nIt's worth trying to avoid those situations, but ultimately it's a very false equivalence to hold people responsible for the actions of others, vs. their own personal actions.\nWhen you buy chocolate, you're not actually holding a gun to a slave, someone else is. The right answer to that is to lobby for worker protections for imported goods, and to try to end involuntary servitude within your country as well. \nWhen you have sex with a trafficked person, you personally literally raped them. If you don't have good evidence to know they aren't trafficked, you're personally ok with the possibility you're going to personally rape them. \nBoth might be considered bad. But it's a false equivalence.\nAnd sure... if someone is paying someone for sex when they are personal friends with them, and interact with them outside of prostitution enough to personally know that they aren't being trafficked... and you're sure they aren't lying, scorning them more than at most some light ribbing isn't justified. It's not like \"sugar daddies\" aren't a thing as well. At the very least much less disapprobation would be appropriate.", ">\n\nIn both cases, there is a customer receiving a service provided by a potentially enslaved person. They are morally equivalent. It makes no sense to say “sure I bought the slavery chocolate, but you can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”", ">\n\n\nyou can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”\n\nThe slavers actions are distinct from the consumers' actions for most things. \nThis is an actual important difference when it comes to prostitution. \nIgnoring that fundamental difference doesn't make it go away, and it's entirely reasonable for someone to make that distinction.", ">\n\nThe slaver and consumer are different people who take different actions in the prostitution scenario. The consumer in both scenarios is taking the risk of being immoral. If I force you to be my slave that’s still immoral whether or not I put you to work in my brothel or mine or factory or fishing boat. And if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever, it’s equivalent.", ">\n\n\nAnd if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever , it’s equivalent.\n\nThis is where the false equivalence comes in. \nSomeone making products with slave labor is not renting out a slave to the consumer so that they consumer can force them to perform mining for the consumer. They are enslaving the labor to create a product, and selling the product. Products don't have rights to violate. The only person violating the rights of the slave is the slaver.\nSomeone trafficking a victim is renting out that victim so that the consumer can rape them.", ">\n\nI don’t see how one is worse than the other. in both cases the customer’s purchase decision enables the coerced labor of another through a “producer”. \nIf instead of engaging in direct sexual actions, you simply buy a digital “product” that entails pornography, live talks and whatever, is that significantly morally superior compared to normal prostitution?" ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person.", ">\n\nSo... there's a concept of a moral hazard. \nThere's literally no way for an individual to be certain that their prostitute is not being coerced/trafficked. Even if there are some special circumstances where it might be unlikely, certainty is still impossible, and most people frequenting prostitutes are not in those special circumstances.\nSomeone using their services is therefore extremely likely to be comfortable with risking that they are unknowingly raping someone. \nGenerally speaking, people find that disgusting.", ">\n\nIf you eat chocolate (even the stuff with the fair trade sticker) then there's no guarantee that it hasn't come from slave farms which are not uncommon. If you eat chocolate throughout your life then you are almost definitely contributing to slavery. If you visit a prostitute regularly then the chance they're being exploited is anywhere from functioninally 0% to 100%. So why treat the John who might be discerning with scorn and not the chocolate eater who is a much safer bet in having contributed to coerced labour.", ">\n\nIt's worth trying to avoid those situations, but ultimately it's a very false equivalence to hold people responsible for the actions of others, vs. their own personal actions.\nWhen you buy chocolate, you're not actually holding a gun to a slave, someone else is. The right answer to that is to lobby for worker protections for imported goods, and to try to end involuntary servitude within your country as well. \nWhen you have sex with a trafficked person, you personally literally raped them. If you don't have good evidence to know they aren't trafficked, you're personally ok with the possibility you're going to personally rape them. \nBoth might be considered bad. But it's a false equivalence.\nAnd sure... if someone is paying someone for sex when they are personal friends with them, and interact with them outside of prostitution enough to personally know that they aren't being trafficked... and you're sure they aren't lying, scorning them more than at most some light ribbing isn't justified. It's not like \"sugar daddies\" aren't a thing as well. At the very least much less disapprobation would be appropriate.", ">\n\nIn both cases, there is a customer receiving a service provided by a potentially enslaved person. They are morally equivalent. It makes no sense to say “sure I bought the slavery chocolate, but you can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”", ">\n\n\nyou can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”\n\nThe slavers actions are distinct from the consumers' actions for most things. \nThis is an actual important difference when it comes to prostitution. \nIgnoring that fundamental difference doesn't make it go away, and it's entirely reasonable for someone to make that distinction.", ">\n\nThe slaver and consumer are different people who take different actions in the prostitution scenario. The consumer in both scenarios is taking the risk of being immoral. If I force you to be my slave that’s still immoral whether or not I put you to work in my brothel or mine or factory or fishing boat. And if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever, it’s equivalent.", ">\n\n\nAnd if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever , it’s equivalent.\n\nThis is where the false equivalence comes in. \nSomeone making products with slave labor is not renting out a slave to the consumer so that they consumer can force them to perform mining for the consumer. They are enslaving the labor to create a product, and selling the product. Products don't have rights to violate. The only person violating the rights of the slave is the slaver.\nSomeone trafficking a victim is renting out that victim so that the consumer can rape them.", ">\n\nI don’t see how one is worse than the other. in both cases the customer’s purchase decision enables the coerced labor of another through a “producer”. \nIf instead of engaging in direct sexual actions, you simply buy a digital “product” that entails pornography, live talks and whatever, is that significantly morally superior compared to normal prostitution?", ">\n\nIf the sex is only contractual to you? Why not just \"hook up.\" Why pay? You will never be able to guarantee they are not being trafficked. If they are, they are not going to tell you. I think the idea of money exchanging hands for sex is the why most have a problem. The idea that you are giving a woman money for sex has been historically seen as her being a whore. \nI am not saying she is. I am saying that from the time it first exchanged hands, that is what it was. Men who could not find a woman, paid a woman. Why do you want others to see it differently? Yes, there will be outliers that will enjoy the work. But those are going to be ones that, like the escort, chose it, and charge what they want. Not the typical street hookers on the corner with pimps to pay. \nProve they are not trafficked, they work for themselves, they are clean (of both drugs and diseases - because they are taking care of themselves and being safe), and that they are a sex worker because they enjoy the work or that that chose the work. Then, hey! Pay 'em and get to it!" ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person.", ">\n\nSo... there's a concept of a moral hazard. \nThere's literally no way for an individual to be certain that their prostitute is not being coerced/trafficked. Even if there are some special circumstances where it might be unlikely, certainty is still impossible, and most people frequenting prostitutes are not in those special circumstances.\nSomeone using their services is therefore extremely likely to be comfortable with risking that they are unknowingly raping someone. \nGenerally speaking, people find that disgusting.", ">\n\nIf you eat chocolate (even the stuff with the fair trade sticker) then there's no guarantee that it hasn't come from slave farms which are not uncommon. If you eat chocolate throughout your life then you are almost definitely contributing to slavery. If you visit a prostitute regularly then the chance they're being exploited is anywhere from functioninally 0% to 100%. So why treat the John who might be discerning with scorn and not the chocolate eater who is a much safer bet in having contributed to coerced labour.", ">\n\nIt's worth trying to avoid those situations, but ultimately it's a very false equivalence to hold people responsible for the actions of others, vs. their own personal actions.\nWhen you buy chocolate, you're not actually holding a gun to a slave, someone else is. The right answer to that is to lobby for worker protections for imported goods, and to try to end involuntary servitude within your country as well. \nWhen you have sex with a trafficked person, you personally literally raped them. If you don't have good evidence to know they aren't trafficked, you're personally ok with the possibility you're going to personally rape them. \nBoth might be considered bad. But it's a false equivalence.\nAnd sure... if someone is paying someone for sex when they are personal friends with them, and interact with them outside of prostitution enough to personally know that they aren't being trafficked... and you're sure they aren't lying, scorning them more than at most some light ribbing isn't justified. It's not like \"sugar daddies\" aren't a thing as well. At the very least much less disapprobation would be appropriate.", ">\n\nIn both cases, there is a customer receiving a service provided by a potentially enslaved person. They are morally equivalent. It makes no sense to say “sure I bought the slavery chocolate, but you can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”", ">\n\n\nyou can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”\n\nThe slavers actions are distinct from the consumers' actions for most things. \nThis is an actual important difference when it comes to prostitution. \nIgnoring that fundamental difference doesn't make it go away, and it's entirely reasonable for someone to make that distinction.", ">\n\nThe slaver and consumer are different people who take different actions in the prostitution scenario. The consumer in both scenarios is taking the risk of being immoral. If I force you to be my slave that’s still immoral whether or not I put you to work in my brothel or mine or factory or fishing boat. And if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever, it’s equivalent.", ">\n\n\nAnd if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever , it’s equivalent.\n\nThis is where the false equivalence comes in. \nSomeone making products with slave labor is not renting out a slave to the consumer so that they consumer can force them to perform mining for the consumer. They are enslaving the labor to create a product, and selling the product. Products don't have rights to violate. The only person violating the rights of the slave is the slaver.\nSomeone trafficking a victim is renting out that victim so that the consumer can rape them.", ">\n\nI don’t see how one is worse than the other. in both cases the customer’s purchase decision enables the coerced labor of another through a “producer”. \nIf instead of engaging in direct sexual actions, you simply buy a digital “product” that entails pornography, live talks and whatever, is that significantly morally superior compared to normal prostitution?", ">\n\nIf the sex is only contractual to you? Why not just \"hook up.\" Why pay? You will never be able to guarantee they are not being trafficked. If they are, they are not going to tell you. I think the idea of money exchanging hands for sex is the why most have a problem. The idea that you are giving a woman money for sex has been historically seen as her being a whore. \nI am not saying she is. I am saying that from the time it first exchanged hands, that is what it was. Men who could not find a woman, paid a woman. Why do you want others to see it differently? Yes, there will be outliers that will enjoy the work. But those are going to be ones that, like the escort, chose it, and charge what they want. Not the typical street hookers on the corner with pimps to pay. \nProve they are not trafficked, they work for themselves, they are clean (of both drugs and diseases - because they are taking care of themselves and being safe), and that they are a sex worker because they enjoy the work or that that chose the work. Then, hey! Pay 'em and get to it!", ">\n\nI think it is morally unhealthy to normalize it. Even though you have to be an adult to smoke weed, we definitely see weed as a normal thing to do in moderation compared to a few decades ago. This is how we would see prostitution if it was normalized. And I think weed has a lot less complications than legalizing prostitution. A LOT!\nSex work online is a lot safer and requires a lot less mental issues to engage in and promote. But even then, I know some sex workers (online type), and they are scarred by the stuff they have seen when it comes to their job. They have told me stories that are extremely disturbing. These are women who just do stuff by themselves. Not working with a porn company and other people.\nAlso, sex has a huge reputation for being violent and demoralizing towards women in general. I'd assume those numbers would be much higher in men looking to pay for sex. You'd have to have extremely strict and tight regulations for this sort of thing, which would take the fun out of it for a lot of people. And even then, there would still be many mistakes that would happen before we find out all the regulations that are needed. And I don't think we could ever make it mentally and physically safe for women.\nNow, do I think it should be decriminalized for prostitutes? Definitely. I don't see them as disgusting. I feel quite bad for them. Most of them were trafficked at a young age. Do I see men wanting to pay for sex as disgusting? Not necessarily. It depends on the person and the situation. However, this isn't a simple issue where if we just \"stop judging people,\" everything will be fine." ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person.", ">\n\nSo... there's a concept of a moral hazard. \nThere's literally no way for an individual to be certain that their prostitute is not being coerced/trafficked. Even if there are some special circumstances where it might be unlikely, certainty is still impossible, and most people frequenting prostitutes are not in those special circumstances.\nSomeone using their services is therefore extremely likely to be comfortable with risking that they are unknowingly raping someone. \nGenerally speaking, people find that disgusting.", ">\n\nIf you eat chocolate (even the stuff with the fair trade sticker) then there's no guarantee that it hasn't come from slave farms which are not uncommon. If you eat chocolate throughout your life then you are almost definitely contributing to slavery. If you visit a prostitute regularly then the chance they're being exploited is anywhere from functioninally 0% to 100%. So why treat the John who might be discerning with scorn and not the chocolate eater who is a much safer bet in having contributed to coerced labour.", ">\n\nIt's worth trying to avoid those situations, but ultimately it's a very false equivalence to hold people responsible for the actions of others, vs. their own personal actions.\nWhen you buy chocolate, you're not actually holding a gun to a slave, someone else is. The right answer to that is to lobby for worker protections for imported goods, and to try to end involuntary servitude within your country as well. \nWhen you have sex with a trafficked person, you personally literally raped them. If you don't have good evidence to know they aren't trafficked, you're personally ok with the possibility you're going to personally rape them. \nBoth might be considered bad. But it's a false equivalence.\nAnd sure... if someone is paying someone for sex when they are personal friends with them, and interact with them outside of prostitution enough to personally know that they aren't being trafficked... and you're sure they aren't lying, scorning them more than at most some light ribbing isn't justified. It's not like \"sugar daddies\" aren't a thing as well. At the very least much less disapprobation would be appropriate.", ">\n\nIn both cases, there is a customer receiving a service provided by a potentially enslaved person. They are morally equivalent. It makes no sense to say “sure I bought the slavery chocolate, but you can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”", ">\n\n\nyou can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”\n\nThe slavers actions are distinct from the consumers' actions for most things. \nThis is an actual important difference when it comes to prostitution. \nIgnoring that fundamental difference doesn't make it go away, and it's entirely reasonable for someone to make that distinction.", ">\n\nThe slaver and consumer are different people who take different actions in the prostitution scenario. The consumer in both scenarios is taking the risk of being immoral. If I force you to be my slave that’s still immoral whether or not I put you to work in my brothel or mine or factory or fishing boat. And if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever, it’s equivalent.", ">\n\n\nAnd if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever , it’s equivalent.\n\nThis is where the false equivalence comes in. \nSomeone making products with slave labor is not renting out a slave to the consumer so that they consumer can force them to perform mining for the consumer. They are enslaving the labor to create a product, and selling the product. Products don't have rights to violate. The only person violating the rights of the slave is the slaver.\nSomeone trafficking a victim is renting out that victim so that the consumer can rape them.", ">\n\nI don’t see how one is worse than the other. in both cases the customer’s purchase decision enables the coerced labor of another through a “producer”. \nIf instead of engaging in direct sexual actions, you simply buy a digital “product” that entails pornography, live talks and whatever, is that significantly morally superior compared to normal prostitution?", ">\n\nIf the sex is only contractual to you? Why not just \"hook up.\" Why pay? You will never be able to guarantee they are not being trafficked. If they are, they are not going to tell you. I think the idea of money exchanging hands for sex is the why most have a problem. The idea that you are giving a woman money for sex has been historically seen as her being a whore. \nI am not saying she is. I am saying that from the time it first exchanged hands, that is what it was. Men who could not find a woman, paid a woman. Why do you want others to see it differently? Yes, there will be outliers that will enjoy the work. But those are going to be ones that, like the escort, chose it, and charge what they want. Not the typical street hookers on the corner with pimps to pay. \nProve they are not trafficked, they work for themselves, they are clean (of both drugs and diseases - because they are taking care of themselves and being safe), and that they are a sex worker because they enjoy the work or that that chose the work. Then, hey! Pay 'em and get to it!", ">\n\nI think it is morally unhealthy to normalize it. Even though you have to be an adult to smoke weed, we definitely see weed as a normal thing to do in moderation compared to a few decades ago. This is how we would see prostitution if it was normalized. And I think weed has a lot less complications than legalizing prostitution. A LOT!\nSex work online is a lot safer and requires a lot less mental issues to engage in and promote. But even then, I know some sex workers (online type), and they are scarred by the stuff they have seen when it comes to their job. They have told me stories that are extremely disturbing. These are women who just do stuff by themselves. Not working with a porn company and other people.\nAlso, sex has a huge reputation for being violent and demoralizing towards women in general. I'd assume those numbers would be much higher in men looking to pay for sex. You'd have to have extremely strict and tight regulations for this sort of thing, which would take the fun out of it for a lot of people. And even then, there would still be many mistakes that would happen before we find out all the regulations that are needed. And I don't think we could ever make it mentally and physically safe for women.\nNow, do I think it should be decriminalized for prostitutes? Definitely. I don't see them as disgusting. I feel quite bad for them. Most of them were trafficked at a young age. Do I see men wanting to pay for sex as disgusting? Not necessarily. It depends on the person and the situation. However, this isn't a simple issue where if we just \"stop judging people,\" everything will be fine.", ">\n\nDecriminalizing prostitution for both those selling and buying is demonstrably safer for prostitutes. If it is criminal for the buyer but not the seller, the buyer is often highly defensive and paranoid about the seller, specifically the possibility that they may be working with law enforcement. The buyer will often push to do it in a highly isolated setting as well. These things increase violence that sex workers face, and the averages go down in places where it is decriminalized to both buy and sell. If you have a designated work place for it and no one needs to be distrustful and worried about being arrested, that is the safest situation for all involved. \nWe may disagree with buying it for whatever moral reason, but if we choose to criminalize the purchase of it, we are prioritizing punishing behavior we morally disagree with over prioritizing the safety of those involved, which I can't get behind." ]

[ "/u/Due-Lie-8710 (OP) has awarded 7 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards", ">\n\nThere's a song I like that speaks on this fairly poetically, so I'd like to start by just directly quoting it:\n\nSo when you bled on the bed as you fed those expectations, as a whore and not a human, you embraced with hesitation the very parameters of all you can be. Not a mother, not an aunt, not a sister who's not subdued. Because dignity's not physical, and your flesh means more than you.\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.", ">\n\n\nMany (NOT ALL) of the people purchasing sex look at the worker as a commodity and not a human. And many (NOT ALL) of the general public look at the sex worker as undesirable. And many (NOT ALL) of sex workers are coerced into the industry, either by force or by life circumstance. Until we can truly establish a society which views sex work as \"just another job,\" and rid ourselves of all the aforementioned biases, the people purchasing it are feeding into a broken and hurtful system.\n\nFirst of all if you aren't trafficked it is just like another job, as for you both being seen as human , make sense hey aren't there to befriend to have sex , you are performing a service, it's like you watching football or a movie, you only see them as footballers ot actors , half of the time they don't care about their personal life, there are some jobs that prevent you from getting any high paying jobs or jobs that involve care , as for the people purchasing it , if you can't purchase it then why should they sell it , you don't actually support sex work, because that would mean accepting the consumer base ad well as the supplier", ">\n\nThat’s a really big if though, sex work isn’t exactly an industry where you will know for sure if the service you’re getting is consensual. individuals who are victims of sexual trafficking, coercion, or just life circumstance aren’t likely to just tell their “customers” if it isn’t consensual. they could endanger themselves or not be aware that they can say something. \nSeeing someone as an object vs seeing them as an individual with a job aren’t the same though? yes we recognize actors and football players by their career choice and how well they are at it, but they’re still people at the end of the day? that’s why they have fanbases, interviews, paparazzi, popularity on social media, movie adaptions of their life exist—people are interested in more than them just doing their job.\nA persons job is no reason to suddenly strip them of their humanity and rights granted them for being such, that kind of mentality is morally skewed and why a lot of people would not support sex work. plus you can’t say it makes sense for sex workers to be see as commodities only and then believe sex work will be consensual. the whole consent part comes from recognizing that this is another person who has their own boundaries and limits beyond just what you want.", ">\n\nokay, that’s a plumber and not a person you’re having sex with. unlike plumbing which is clean cut, sex can include multiple aspects of different kinks and fetishes. You can’t expect a sex worker to be okay with say participating in rape play, anal, scat, and a mirage of other kinks simply because they agreed to sex. Sex is not clean cut, there is more to it. There has to be a boundary somewhere, this is another person body not a pipe.", ">\n\nThat’s like the point? recognizing the boundary and proceeding from there by RESPECTING the boundary because they are another person and not some masturbatory object. What you just said was a consensual interaction. The initial point was that there is no consensual sex without respecting the party that’s giving as a person.", ">\n\nSo... there's a concept of a moral hazard. \nThere's literally no way for an individual to be certain that their prostitute is not being coerced/trafficked. Even if there are some special circumstances where it might be unlikely, certainty is still impossible, and most people frequenting prostitutes are not in those special circumstances.\nSomeone using their services is therefore extremely likely to be comfortable with risking that they are unknowingly raping someone. \nGenerally speaking, people find that disgusting.", ">\n\nIf you eat chocolate (even the stuff with the fair trade sticker) then there's no guarantee that it hasn't come from slave farms which are not uncommon. If you eat chocolate throughout your life then you are almost definitely contributing to slavery. If you visit a prostitute regularly then the chance they're being exploited is anywhere from functioninally 0% to 100%. So why treat the John who might be discerning with scorn and not the chocolate eater who is a much safer bet in having contributed to coerced labour.", ">\n\nIt's worth trying to avoid those situations, but ultimately it's a very false equivalence to hold people responsible for the actions of others, vs. their own personal actions.\nWhen you buy chocolate, you're not actually holding a gun to a slave, someone else is. The right answer to that is to lobby for worker protections for imported goods, and to try to end involuntary servitude within your country as well. \nWhen you have sex with a trafficked person, you personally literally raped them. If you don't have good evidence to know they aren't trafficked, you're personally ok with the possibility you're going to personally rape them. \nBoth might be considered bad. But it's a false equivalence.\nAnd sure... if someone is paying someone for sex when they are personal friends with them, and interact with them outside of prostitution enough to personally know that they aren't being trafficked... and you're sure they aren't lying, scorning them more than at most some light ribbing isn't justified. It's not like \"sugar daddies\" aren't a thing as well. At the very least much less disapprobation would be appropriate.", ">\n\nIn both cases, there is a customer receiving a service provided by a potentially enslaved person. They are morally equivalent. It makes no sense to say “sure I bought the slavery chocolate, but you can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”", ">\n\n\nyou can’t hold me responsible for the slavers actions!”\n\nThe slavers actions are distinct from the consumers' actions for most things. \nThis is an actual important difference when it comes to prostitution. \nIgnoring that fundamental difference doesn't make it go away, and it's entirely reasonable for someone to make that distinction.", ">\n\nThe slaver and consumer are different people who take different actions in the prostitution scenario. The consumer in both scenarios is taking the risk of being immoral. If I force you to be my slave that’s still immoral whether or not I put you to work in my brothel or mine or factory or fishing boat. And if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever, it’s equivalent.", ">\n\n\nAnd if I rent your services out to customers who aren’t aware you’re a slave, it doesn’t matter whether the service is sex or mining or fishing or whatever , it’s equivalent.\n\nThis is where the false equivalence comes in. \nSomeone making products with slave labor is not renting out a slave to the consumer so that they consumer can force them to perform mining for the consumer. They are enslaving the labor to create a product, and selling the product. Products don't have rights to violate. The only person violating the rights of the slave is the slaver.\nSomeone trafficking a victim is renting out that victim so that the consumer can rape them.", ">\n\nI don’t see how one is worse than the other. in both cases the customer’s purchase decision enables the coerced labor of another through a “producer”. \nIf instead of engaging in direct sexual actions, you simply buy a digital “product” that entails pornography, live talks and whatever, is that significantly morally superior compared to normal prostitution?", ">\n\nIf the sex is only contractual to you? Why not just \"hook up.\" Why pay? You will never be able to guarantee they are not being trafficked. If they are, they are not going to tell you. I think the idea of money exchanging hands for sex is the why most have a problem. The idea that you are giving a woman money for sex has been historically seen as her being a whore. \nI am not saying she is. I am saying that from the time it first exchanged hands, that is what it was. Men who could not find a woman, paid a woman. Why do you want others to see it differently? Yes, there will be outliers that will enjoy the work. But those are going to be ones that, like the escort, chose it, and charge what they want. Not the typical street hookers on the corner with pimps to pay. \nProve they are not trafficked, they work for themselves, they are clean (of both drugs and diseases - because they are taking care of themselves and being safe), and that they are a sex worker because they enjoy the work or that that chose the work. Then, hey! Pay 'em and get to it!", ">\n\nI think it is morally unhealthy to normalize it. Even though you have to be an adult to smoke weed, we definitely see weed as a normal thing to do in moderation compared to a few decades ago. This is how we would see prostitution if it was normalized. And I think weed has a lot less complications than legalizing prostitution. A LOT!\nSex work online is a lot safer and requires a lot less mental issues to engage in and promote. But even then, I know some sex workers (online type), and they are scarred by the stuff they have seen when it comes to their job. They have told me stories that are extremely disturbing. These are women who just do stuff by themselves. Not working with a porn company and other people.\nAlso, sex has a huge reputation for being violent and demoralizing towards women in general. I'd assume those numbers would be much higher in men looking to pay for sex. You'd have to have extremely strict and tight regulations for this sort of thing, which would take the fun out of it for a lot of people. And even then, there would still be many mistakes that would happen before we find out all the regulations that are needed. And I don't think we could ever make it mentally and physically safe for women.\nNow, do I think it should be decriminalized for prostitutes? Definitely. I don't see them as disgusting. I feel quite bad for them. Most of them were trafficked at a young age. Do I see men wanting to pay for sex as disgusting? Not necessarily. It depends on the person and the situation. However, this isn't a simple issue where if we just \"stop judging people,\" everything will be fine.", ">\n\nDecriminalizing prostitution for both those selling and buying is demonstrably safer for prostitutes. If it is criminal for the buyer but not the seller, the buyer is often highly defensive and paranoid about the seller, specifically the possibility that they may be working with law enforcement. The buyer will often push to do it in a highly isolated setting as well. These things increase violence that sex workers face, and the averages go down in places where it is decriminalized to both buy and sell. If you have a designated work place for it and no one needs to be distrustful and worried about being arrested, that is the safest situation for all involved. \nWe may disagree with buying it for whatever moral reason, but if we choose to criminalize the purchase of it, we are prioritizing punishing behavior we morally disagree with over prioritizing the safety of those involved, which I can't get behind.", ">\n\nBut there are so many more facets to the safety of legalizing it for the buyer other than them being pushy or wanting to do it in a hidden area. If we legalized it, it still wouldn't really help any of the points I made or is even something that is so overwhelmingly an issue compared to the points I made." ]